I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

kaine: "i have personal faith but i believe the state and church should be separate and no one should be forced to follow a particular religion's beliefs."
pence: "i disagree i think we should force ppl."

wooooooow at counselling girls out of abortion

Kaine directly quotes some absurd thing Trump said. Pence responds, "That's absurd." or "That's ridiculous." and proceeds to say something impenetrable with a few hot button words or ambiguous phrases like "criminal immigrants" attached. The funny thing is, this tactic probably works just fine.

I like to spend a little time on my knees every day too Mike, amirite ladies?

rite?

I mean eating pussy

"I try to spend a little time on my knees every day."

Pence 2020.

Nice

*high fives Pence*

*Pence wipes hand*

The difference in their recent backgrounds: Kaine shares hot-milk-with-cookies anecdotes about bein' Irish 'n' Catholic; talk show host Pence can't answer a question about "faith conflicts" without turning the question into a spear he can jab into his opponent.

BIBLE BURN

kinda feel like Trump's taxes is the wrong thing to be banging around on. that type of news article is best as a slow-developing item, meant to smoke out Trump into looking less like the voice of the downtrodden. actually focusing on it at length in a debate kind of weakens it as a story cos most of the undecided voters are too dumb to realize when they're being subliminally manipulated but when you smack them across the face with it, they'll smell it, y'know?

pence's strategy of fully denying rather than trying to explain or defend any of the 100,000 horrible things trump has said is prob a smart one

pence is actually campaigning on ending abortion rights. this is definitely not a winner.

"you whipped out that mexican thing again" shoutout to stephen garza

Kaine makes his worst mistake this evening: using "dialogue" as a verb.

Kaine should tweet at Trump from the stage

pence's strategy of fully denying rather than trying to explain or defend any of the 100,000 horrible things trump has said is prob a smart one

― marcos, Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:30 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

True but what about the fact checking in the ensuing news cycle?

or the ads. wouldn't even be surprised if Clinton came up with Kaine's talking points not to win the debate but help frame Pence's responses so they could turn around and make some nifty commercials by week's end.

We will bring people together through broad-shouldered military power and law-and-order.

c'mon people now
fire on your brother
everybody get together
try to plug one another
right now

lol @ "you whipped out that mexican thing again"

is it "trending"

About 193 results (0.31 seconds)

cool, cbs cut to a 5-minute focus panel led by republican operative Frank Luntz, pioneer of the conservative strategy to deny climate change

what a great network.

humorously his focus group broke almost 3 times as much for Clinton last week. I imagine it killed him to tweet that.

I hope that Kaine's performance tonight was per instructions from the campaign: just force Pence to own Trump as much as possible, don't try to win every point. It's probably okay if he comes out of it looking scattered and manic, he's not there to be a dignified statesman but rather an attack dog. A cute, slightly yippy attack dog.

If this is really who he is and how he wants to campaign, that's just weird. I am a Virginian and former Richmond resident; I already knew Kaine isn't a great speaker or debater. But the contrast with Pence's composure is rather stark. Pence did a bunch of insulting little head-pats like "wow, you really worked hard on that, didn't you?" He didn't say SON but might as well have.

Kaine might have struck a more inspirational, uplifting, positive tone (a la the convention). But tactically it's probably best to keep the election a referendum on Trmp.

Kaine was puppyish and erratic, but Pence will spend the next few days watching clips of this debate played side by side next to a Trump lie.

so what the fuck two debates and no climate change questions

yo is it true tim kaine got sonned by mike pence after a cnn beef?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/783478918087004160?lang=en

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct-MVTiUIAAf78j.jpg:large

yeah Pence definitely is a lot better at this than Kaine is, BUT I'm not really concerned about this since the lasting impression of the debate is most likely going to be Pence shaking his head as Kaine reads actual Donald Trump quotes

Kaine was puppyish and erratic

Yup. That describes the classic Batman villain all right.

also no one will give a shit once the next debate happens in 5 days

I'm gonna miss the onion's take on Joe Biden...their Tim Kaine isn't nearly as engaging

Another thought: I think Pence is doing a better job of executing his strategy, which is basically just to pirouette around any time he’d have to defend Trump. Whereas Kaine is swinging at a lot of pitches but not really following through. So judged on the basis, I’d give it to Pence, so far.

But I’m not sure that it’s a great strategy, because I think Pence’s nonresponsiveness could make for some good commercials for Clinton’s team in Brooklyn after the debate. So Pence could be setting himself up to win the actual debate but lose the post-debate debate.

this is nate silver. seems plausible. no one will remember that pence "won" or kaine seemed puppyish, because absent major screw-ups, you have to watch the whole thing to get that. but it can be cut together/played on the news in a way that makes pence look dishonest/ignorant, etc. and draws more attention to trumps enormities in the process.

I'm gonna miss the onion's take on Joe Biden...their Tim Kaine isn't nearly as engaging

feel like they could still write about diamond joe mooning the vp debate from his helicopter while yelling "NERRRRRRRRRDS!!!"

xxxp indeed, especially given that it's between the leak of Trump's 95 returns and the 2nd debate

true that Pence "won" the debate but I don't think his performance is going to make any Republicans feel better about the top of the ticket. seemed like Pence was really throwing him under the bus there.

There's no point in attacking Pence, unless it is part of a much stronger attack on Trump. iow, if you cut together Kaine quoting Trump and Pence dismissing the quote as ridiculous or false, followed by a video of Trump saying just what Kaine quoted, then the real point must be that Trump said it and it hurts him among voters, not that Pence denied it. Pence is just a bit player.

this is nate silver. seems plausible. no one will remember that pence "won" or kaine seemed puppyish, because absent major screw-ups, you have to watch the whole thing to get that. but it can be cut together/played on the news in a way that makes pence look dishonest/ignorant, etc. and draws more attention to trumps enormities in the process.

I wonder if this was Kaine's entire strategy - "nobody's going to watch any more than 30 seconds of this, so just bring up every dumb thing Trump says because that's all the news talks about now"

he should have sung it to We Didn't Start the Fire then

Ban Muslims from coming in
Stop and Frisk is back again
Birth certificate a fraud
Ok maybe not

We are gonna build a wall
Putin's not so bad at all
Law and order, man the border
My daughter's kinda hot

haha

Just got out of "Hunt for the Wilderpeople". This is an excellent film! Not as funny, but possibly better than "What we Do in Shadow"! Certainly better shot!
Who knew Sam Neill still had it in him!

Am debating whether this is a good dog film or not. Certainly a good pibble film.

The scene with a Leonard Cohen song playing over a snow, mountain forest sequence had to be a little nod to "McCabe & Mrs Miller," right?

lol yea that movie was sweet. nice ending too.

you made the right decision

@JoshDorner John King reporting that someone from Trump inner sanctum says Pence for Pence (and not Trump) style not sitting well with Trump.

new running mate tomorrow, it'll all be fixed by morning