I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

Kaine was puppyish and erratic

Yup. That describes the classic Batman villain all right.

also no one will give a shit once the next debate happens in 5 days

I'm gonna miss the onion's take on Joe Biden...their Tim Kaine isn't nearly as engaging

Another thought: I think Pence is doing a better job of executing his strategy, which is basically just to pirouette around any time he’d have to defend Trump. Whereas Kaine is swinging at a lot of pitches but not really following through. So judged on the basis, I’d give it to Pence, so far.

But I’m not sure that it’s a great strategy, because I think Pence’s nonresponsiveness could make for some good commercials for Clinton’s team in Brooklyn after the debate. So Pence could be setting himself up to win the actual debate but lose the post-debate debate.

this is nate silver. seems plausible. no one will remember that pence "won" or kaine seemed puppyish, because absent major screw-ups, you have to watch the whole thing to get that. but it can be cut together/played on the news in a way that makes pence look dishonest/ignorant, etc. and draws more attention to trumps enormities in the process.

I'm gonna miss the onion's take on Joe Biden...their Tim Kaine isn't nearly as engaging

feel like they could still write about diamond joe mooning the vp debate from his helicopter while yelling "NERRRRRRRRRDS!!!"

xxxp indeed, especially given that it's between the leak of Trump's 95 returns and the 2nd debate

true that Pence "won" the debate but I don't think his performance is going to make any Republicans feel better about the top of the ticket. seemed like Pence was really throwing him under the bus there.

There's no point in attacking Pence, unless it is part of a much stronger attack on Trump. iow, if you cut together Kaine quoting Trump and Pence dismissing the quote as ridiculous or false, followed by a video of Trump saying just what Kaine quoted, then the real point must be that Trump said it and it hurts him among voters, not that Pence denied it. Pence is just a bit player.

this is nate silver. seems plausible. no one will remember that pence "won" or kaine seemed puppyish, because absent major screw-ups, you have to watch the whole thing to get that. but it can be cut together/played on the news in a way that makes pence look dishonest/ignorant, etc. and draws more attention to trumps enormities in the process.

I wonder if this was Kaine's entire strategy - "nobody's going to watch any more than 30 seconds of this, so just bring up every dumb thing Trump says because that's all the news talks about now"

he should have sung it to We Didn't Start the Fire then

Ban Muslims from coming in
Stop and Frisk is back again
Birth certificate a fraud
Ok maybe not

We are gonna build a wall
Putin's not so bad at all
Law and order, man the border
My daughter's kinda hot

haha

Just got out of "Hunt for the Wilderpeople". This is an excellent film! Not as funny, but possibly better than "What we Do in Shadow"! Certainly better shot!
Who knew Sam Neill still had it in him!

Am debating whether this is a good dog film or not. Certainly a good pibble film.

The scene with a Leonard Cohen song playing over a snow, mountain forest sequence had to be a little nod to "McCabe & Mrs Miller," right?

lol yea that movie was sweet. nice ending too.

you made the right decision

@JoshDorner John King reporting that someone from Trump inner sanctum says Pence for Pence (and not Trump) style not sitting well with Trump.

new running mate tomorrow, it'll all be fixed by morning

It's actually good that Pence laid out a boilerplate conservative agenda rather than make a case for trump's "america first" neofascism. Tbh i feel lucky that few have been making that case with any degree of eloquence or clarity

"I wanted to vote for Trump but, man, Pence, he...he doesn't tell it like it is"

did Kaine hammer that shitty INdiana religious freedom bill at all?

Like its not hard for me to envision a candidate with trump's basic early message without the nonsense being extremely dangerous. There is a basic appeal to Trump's plan to shut out the world to protect American interests, even though it would be unfeasible and dangerous in reality

Not to mention evil

Just saw Louis CK, what did I miss?

pence just as terrible and evil imo, he's a piece of shit

@JoshDorner John King reporting that someone from Trump inner sanctum says Pence for Pence (and not Trump) style not sitting well with Trump.

― alomar lines, Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:56 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmbo pence really is running in 2020, huh. thing is this is the most logical way to do it. pissing off trump while ostensibly going on television to support him allows him to play loyal soldier card while tacitly throwing the guy no one in the gop cares about under the bus.

kaine wasnt great in this, but he...stayed on message, i guess? lucky for him, hes not running for president

Pence is definitely playing a long game. Join a ticket where you look like a sane adult, distance yourself over time from a messy governorship, and play nice with DC establishment (where you've already got ties) for the next 4 years.

Pence will never be president. His hair isn't presidential enough.

that's what they said about obama.

Of course he won't. The electoral map is already hard enough for Republicans. In four years, it ain't gonna be any easier. And he's definitely not an inspirational figure on the level of an Obama who can reboot the system. But he's got to at least be the favorite for 2020's GOP nominee.

Keep in mind, we thought Jeb was a sure thing four years ago, so ¯\(ツ)/¯

I don't know if a VP debate has had a memorable moment since Admiral Stockdale was involved, and this definitely didn't deviate from the norm. Both sides achieved their goal of avoiding any major fuck-ups. Yeah, Pence kept avoiding a defense of Trump, but pointing this out is not really an effective line of attack.

Hurricane Matthew will likely deep six this debate pretty soon, so I don't think either campaign is really going to put a lot of effort into using it to their advantage.

Though it would be funny if Trump goes into a meltdown because Pence didn't suitably live up to his wingman duties in Trump's estimation.

man, that was pretty painful. i like kaine generally but he got off to a really bad start w/ the interruptions only a couple minutes in. looked even worse when he said "isn't this a discussion?" to justify it. otherwise i thought he did fine but that was a bad way to kick off a 90-minute debate. and yeah awesome answer on the clinton foundation stuff. pence exuded a sort of slimy confidence that kind of reminded me of cheney in his VP debates. found myself feeling like i'd be more worried if he were the guy at the top of the ticket. attempt to revive "there you go again" pretty weak though.

pence was slick and had weird skin that made him look like he was wearing a mask. measured and calm responses but did he ever answer a single question posed to him? he definitely never answered about North Korea and his answer to 'when has your personal faith been a challenge' didn't answer the 'challenge' part of that at all.

does mike pence look like strax off of dr. who? I've only seen bit here and there (of dr. who and of mike pence) but this just occurred to me

Yeah, Pence kept avoiding a defense of Trump, but pointing this out is not really an effective line of attack.

For any other candidate it would - this guy wants to make huge changes, but if he can't get his second-in-command remotely on the same page, how can he work with anyone to get this done? But yeah his remaining supporters are people who don't care and/or really really hate that Feminazi.

For reference, Strax:
https://gallifreyarchive.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/strax.jpg

that's not a v flattering photo

http://humourpro.com/images/Mike-Pence-As-VP-2.jpg

you can find anything on the internet

Pence did better in his debate than Trump did in his, so now Trump is pissed off at Pence.

Haaaaaaa. I KNEW that Trump would find something to petulantly manbaby about wrt Pence's VP debate performance. Because of course he would.

Seems like a fantasy but if not holy shit

I really, really hope that lots of 'Hmmm, maybe Pence should've been the nominee' thinkpieces get floated over the next couple of days. Trump will flip his effing wig.

A bunch of troop-supportin' patriots attacked Kaine over his Blue Star parent pin again last night on Twitter, btw.

Trump's gonna call the talk radio stations as "John Miller" to badmouth Pence

I really, really hope that lots of 'Hmmm, maybe Pence should've been the nominee' thinkpieces get floated over the next couple of days. Trump will flip his effing wig.

this seems plausible

IMO Trump made a mistake going with a 'traditional' Republican rather than someone who would gladly follow him off a cliff like Guiliani or Christie

kinda reminds me of how Trump didn't even want Pence in the first place

good times

A reminder that Kasich was basically offered the job of Actual President.

Also anything that would cause Trump to get more paranoid (you can be sure that Alex Jones has some theories about an 'accident' scheduled for Trump on Jan 21st) = long term good.

Hey, does anybody know what that thing is on Trump's face? I'm no doctor but I think he should have it looked at. And have you noticed that weird guy who's hovering in the background of all public Trump photos lately? He sure is creepy. Wonder what his deal is.

Nate Silver is saying the veep debate could have a wide range of impact from being forgotten in 24 hours to causing a huge green scaly monster to invade Huntsville, AL

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783645247247114240

i had no idea Pence looked like the cave critters in The Descent