I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

eh its the vp who cares? not sure who else is better who actually wants the damn job. dems have nobody interesting under 60 anyway.

lol, I was going to mention my stock answer of Kamala Harris here, but when she gets the nomination in 2024 after 1+ term(s) as a Senator it looks like she'll be 59.

Hillary picked Tim Kaine cause she's looking past the election and wants someone that she can work with when she actually is president.

How often does a VP pick change the course of an election anyway? (Palin excepted, probably)

if Trump had run with Eastwood it mighta shook things up a bit

idk -- pareene no doubt knows more about kaine than i do, but my understanding is that he's a decent person who is good at the actual process of governing and whom everyone he's ever worked with apparently loves. given that essentially no better options are proposed -- should she have picked bernie? -- i don't see the point of this piece

If he ran with Scott Eastwood, maybe

xp

xpost there were some that thought that picking Bernie woulda been the "mend the fences" move that would have unified the party and led to a curbstomping in the election but I'm like, do you really think those same BernieBros wouldn't get chapped asses about being second fiddle to Hillary?

Pareene's premise that Bill's standing as her inoffensive champion makes Kaine redundant would be a fine one except that Bill is actually doing a horrible job at that

xpost not to mention, when you're one of the older candidates in history, do you really want a dude that is 5 years older than you as you replacement if you should shuffle off?

Pretty sure Ike's choice of Nixon was a move to consolidate the Taft wing of the GOP, which was giving him headches in '52.

Gore sure lost a lot of enthusiasm from his base with the Lieberman pick. I would have gone with Jeanne Shaheen.

Claire McCaskill would be an "exciting" pick but fail the do-no-harm test

Gore shoulda just said he was increasing efficiency in the WH and he would absorb the Veep's duties

http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/donald-trump-is-tearing-the-nfl-apart/

What a shocker - Rex Ryan and Richie Incognito are big Trump fans.

i suspect 30% of the NFL probably is at least. there's a reason why we don't like to listen to most of these people talk about non-football stuff

Gore should have picked Bernie back then.

p sure the climate woulda been very wrong for Bernie

(hey Morbs, I laid the bait for you to drop DOMA/"Don't Ask Don't Tell" nuggets and other things your fav Pres did)

VP picks are usually either very boring or a party consolidation tactic. If your VP is higher profile than the candidate you'll never make it

Repeated head trauma could make a person more likely to support Trump.

JFK?

kaine wins some points back after last night

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/a49252/tim-kaine-loves-the-replacements-let-it-be/

Tim Kaine and Alex Pareene are the same person - why is deadspin not covering this?

"Mike Pence and his taste in music are wrong for America."

i suspect 30% of the NFL probably is at least. there's a reason why we don't like to listen to most of these people talk about non-football stuff

wonder what his fav Kanye album is xpost

look at this fucken fraud

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/10/06/us/06REPUBSj1/06REPUBSj1-master768.jpg

max is good on kaine's abortion position

https://twitter.com/max_read/status/783497271161843712

lol

one of my close friends is married to the PP lobbyist for (since they had to consolidate after dramatic underfunding) a large swath of the midwest. supporting Hillary was obvious because she'd immediately show up, do events, and until the compromise shit comes, sign any bill in favor

still amazed how badly Sanders whiffed it on that front. his entire thing was advocating this ideal no-tuition single-payer (maybe even basic income) post-now ideal which shrugged at existing institutions that keep things running today. I mean, there's an inordinate amount of status quo justification, but this blue sky "everyone will have all the health care they will ever need and we won't need PP or charity clinics or whatever so my campaign doesn't connect to them" is a recurring issue. even if you're planning to address things long term, where is the transition

The Clinton rapid response video guy quoted in this story

https://www.wired.com/2016/10/vp-debate-rapid-response-video-saw-coming/

is a high school friend of mine. They're pretty darn quick.

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I sang with him in college!

you say that about everyone tbh

lol

Funny cuz true

I didn't sing with DJP in college

when did you sing with him

Did not know that. Tiny world.

when did you sing with him

― Neanderthal, Wednesday, October 5, 2016

I sang along to his Mountain Goats track

lol Yglesias in 2008:

By Matthew Yglesias

There are very few members of congress with whom I’ve ever had the opportunity to discuss a substantive matter of public policy. But as it happens, one of them — the one with whom I’ve had the second-longest exchange — is Mike Pence (R-IN) who I’ve seen on television today repeatedly discussing the Republican Study Group’s “plan” for the financial crisis. And I can tell you this about Mike Pence: he has no idea what he’s talking about. The man is a fool, who deserves to be laughed at. He’s almost stupid enough to work in cable television.

I work with a dude from Indiana, he says Pence is dumb as shit and is not liked at all in his home state. Concedes he came off alright last night.

exhibit A: http://web.archive.org/web/20010415085348/http://mikepence.com/smoke.html

what about all the people who DON'T die from smoking?

did he have a good read of reality, or an incredibly bad read of what makes for good political capital? prob both xxxp

"In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness"

wait what, if I smoke it's a 1/3 chance I will die from it holy shit

"the 1/3rd of people that die from smoking all signed an affidavit saying they were ok not living"

Pence actually did sketch a good picture of hyper-caffeinated people in SUVs buying fast food being a major danger, respect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikax0Y0NJsY

Amazing to me how someone can be this proficient at public speaking yet so incredibly stupid.

"we can't have evolved, look at my ears"

i mean, if anyone is evidence against the theory of evolution... xp gah