I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

I will not have my name attached to either of these candidates

last time I checked recorded votes were private and confidential

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it was in reply to that wapo article. i wanted to tell him i'm glad he lives in nebraska where his (you're right UMS) vote doesn't actually matter

the Political Revolution that Bernie started

were his stated goals ever anything other than pulling the direction of the party platform toward economic and social justice?

Hoos is much more familiar with this whole realm, but the people who say things like "You even protested the DNC, how can you be voting for the democrat candidate?!" really don't get the idea of protest at all. You don't protest a convention to burn it down, you do so to push your views in front of the leadership and attendees hoping that your message is heard and your points are addressed. You want to vote for the best candidate, you protest and participate in the caucus/primary process in order to make sure your issues are addressed and in the hopes the party platform takes notice

could matter in omaha!

xp

i bet that guy isn't able to understand elections except as a grand drama centering on presidential candidates

is it just that bernie supporters cannot let go of the idea that they were cheated even when there's zero evidence to suggest it?

IMO yes

"I'm definitely not voting for Trump, but I'd rather have an idiot in the White House who can't get anything done

WHERE ARE PEOPLE GETTING THIS IDEA?

I just posted this today: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/paul-ryan-budget-congress-229216

"is there a hurricane thread?

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek)"

hurricane coming...

alfred otm. a trump administration wouldn't just mean, yknow, horrific street violence, greenlit police murder, and potential nuclear war; it also means the same old gop that's apparently getting insurged, rampant.

last thing we want is a tumescent GOP

idk my personal view, which is wearying to those around me at times, is that you have to be critical and evaluate the things you support even more than those things you dismiss outright

the "omg both clintons said some bad things about the ACA" people are so disingenous because there _are_ flaws in the current implementation and continual adjustment is necessary to make it a long-term success. uncritically making claims that it's perfect as-is is not the way to approach policy making. it's like car owners who do no maintenance whatsoever and then buy a new junker every time their engine seizes up

paul ryan is the "lets pour some sugar in this gas tank" guy thinking he's going to be a success when people are stuck by the side of the road

Bill Clinton was otm.

https://img.ifcdn.com/images/f9d144694c5449454772d6fb470f7e2dd60083fcf826906010d230d8a56d13e0_1.jpg

hahahahaha

it took me a few seconds but lmao

masterful

btw it's a minor point against the seriousness of this hurricane - - - but mar-a-lago is a historic property, not without architectural quality. trump acquiring it and giving it the patented tacky trump touch is on him, not the building. let us hope instead that his toxic name leads to the collapse of his real estate empire in a year or so, and that new owners promptly tear down or completely re-skin everything he himself has ever had a hand in building.

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14485087_10210042211792426_3357585504862573715_n.jpg?oh=c09b8babc5e3c1d303d14e002e24d2b4&oe=58A76025

so drudge is hurricane truthing now?

apparently hurricanes are being exagerrated by msm to drum up belief in climate change

meanwhile since it has been shockingly hours or even days since a proper 538 update in this thread: the continued accumulation of solidly pro-clinton (or anti-trump) results in post-debate polls (national and state) has substantially altered the map. polls-only now has basically all the swingy states back in blue - NV, NM, NC, FL, OH, even IA. arizona is teetering too - its most recent polls, too, have clinton up. but they're from poorly-related polling houses. georgia, which very briefly looked blue during clinton's highest convention high, is still pink, with trump way ahead in the one (B rated) post-debate poll. OTOH the same polling house has clinton up nine points in missouri and eleven points in alaska which, ehrm, don't hold your breath. i'm assuming those have to be outliers but man would it be nice to see some more polling in those states. i'm not expecting a wild and crazy electoral map in the end but it's kind of fun to imagine huge swaths of blue, especially on the hexagon-based map where states are sized by population. trump's america, encircled and shrinking.

anyway current forecasts gives clinton a 78% chance of victory and imagines electoral votes of (rounded) 323 to 214. this is still with gary johnson at 6.9% in the popular vote which i really don't see happening.

it'd better not. this election is a referendum on gary johnson imo

This was another Stein rando's brilliant argument: https://twitter.com/crimsonboudoir/status/784137965069041664?s=09

OTOH the same polling house has clinton up nine points in missouri

saw something earlier (NYT?) about Blunt being in serious trouble, which would be great I hate that guy

i know there's some reason why letting congress pick the president in order to get bernie into office won't work but i just can't figure out what

encouraging people likely to vote trump to remain in the path of a *deadly* storm doesn't seem like a strategically good move for trump turnout (see also soliciting votes from the terminally ill)

https://twitter.com/DRUDGE/status/784121449606852608

I would have no qualms about advising people who don't believe in climate change to head on down to the beach

he's moved on to a different tactic:

Direct eyewall hit for Freeport in next hour. Will ground observations match the Hurricane Center's claimed 140 mph sustained winds?

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=spgf1 Buoy off Freeport, in direct line of eyewall. Let's watch the data come in...

cool, so if the buoy that he has identified as being nearby (??) doesn't get "the Hurricane Center's claimed 140 mph sustained winds?" (source???) then liberals are lying to people in order to get them to worry about climate change.

also...matt drudge only has 4 tweets since 2011, and they're all from today? or does he delete them all the day after he posts them or something? god he's a fucking weirdo

lol, what does he think that the hurricanes are calibrated to distribute exactly 140 mile an hour winds for hundreds of miles? hell, hurricane force winds only extend 45 miles from the thing

why would fake reports of extreme weather convince these people that climate change is real when real reports of extreme weather haven't made a dent

i don't know why i care, but here is what the hurricane center actually said:

DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
At 500 PM EDT (2100 UTC), the eye of Hurricane Matthew was located
near latitude 26.2 North, longitude 78.6 West. The hurricane
is moving toward the northwest near 14 mph (22 km/h), and this
general motion is expected to continue tonight with a turn toward
the north-northwest early Friday. On the forecast track, the
eye of Matthew should move near or over Freeport in the Bahamas
in the next hour or so, and move close to or over the east coast
of the Florida peninsula through Friday night.

Maximum sustained winds are near 140 mph (220 km/h) with higher
gusts. Matthew is a category 4 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson
Hurricane Wind Scale. Some fluctuations in intensity are likely
while the hurricane moves toward the coast of Florida.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT4+shtml/062051.shtml

so if winds don't reach what the hurricane center set as a worst case scenario, the govt is lying to you. also, if winds exceed what the hurricane center set as the worst case scenario, they're incompetent.

god he's a manipulative asshole

science!

xp

speaking of...

http://wonkette.com/607281/rush-limbaugh-pretty-sure-liberals-cant-wait-for-hurricane-matthew-to-kill-everybody

That's not true, Rush. I just can't wait for the hurricane to kill you.

Drudge is clumsily shoehorning in a climate change point but there are lots of doofusy civilians that think they're entitled to pinpoint accurate forecasts and scream hell or high water here for "false alarms". y'know instead of being relieved they're alive and had a chance to protect themselves.

hell, there were those geologists who got convicted of manslaughter in Italy 5-6 years ago simply cos they *failed to predict an earthquake*

For those more daring than I, Rosa Clemente(Green VP candidate in '08) went on W Kamau Bell & Hari Kondabolu's show to defend the Green Party, voting your conscience, American 3rd parties, etc

https://megaphone.link/FL2720523205

they're still trying to extradite Amanda Knox for a 5.7 from a couple months ago

hahahahahahahaha

Drudge is clumsily shoehorning in a climate change point but there are lots of doofusy civilians that think they're entitled to pinpoint accurate forecasts and scream hell or high water here for "false alarms". y'know instead of being relieved they're alive and had a chance to protect themselves.

the weather channel is a fundamentally unserious org and is implicated in this

Otm re: weather channel bias.

John Coleman is a dumbshit , almost forgot about that ridic shit he said

I feel like I'm becoming more and more of a Nate Silver skeptic. In one of their podcasts recently they laid out all the factors that could come into play - early voting, better ground game by Democrats, expected performances in the next debates, higher voter registration among minorities, high numbers of late deciders, etc. - but none of this is factored into their "polls plus" model at all - instead it contains economic data and the idea of a pull towards equilibrium at 50-50, two factors which they have admitted aren't really relevant. But Nate still doesn't seem to want to talk about this - 538 just keeps on putting out articles about the different combinations of states which could add up to a majority, instead - which is surely only interesting from their point of view.

They're also all pretty much dismissing the now-cast at this point. I guess they'll do a lot of rethinking after the election. I still like their podcasts, though.

This has turned into a rout again.

why does he try to smolder for the camera? https://www.google.com/search?q=nate+silver&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X

there are some people on twitter saying really stupid shit and claiming to be on the eastern Florida coast and I hope they wise up or are proven right before they are proven very, very wrong

Well, proven right insofar as the hurricane not wreaking complete havoc, not them being right about weather alerts being ignorable

if they paid attention they'd realize the forecast doesn't show the heaviest winds coming in until like 2 am. so if they stay there a bit longer they might regret it.