I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

Victims of sexual assault deserve full protection under the law. And now, they will have it.

*Ryan grabs Trump by scruff of neck, holds him under water*

'don't resist.'

you guys. the banner pic on Ryan's page where he's being mobbed by black children.

what the hell

something between pity and murderous rage

they're just big fans of Eddie Munster

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she's going to eviscerate him on this, are you kidding

Does she need to, though? The press will take care of that.

ppl who claim this is how men talk i've been involved in plenty of raunchy conversations in my lifetime if a man spoke like this in front of me i would never speak to him again

I think Trump would literally say anything if cornered on this.

oh totally, his defense on this will 100% be "bill said/did worse shit"

there's a readymade response to that (which I posted upthread)

she should just work the word "tic tacs" into a completely unrelated sentence and watch as he reacts in typical fashion. minimal effort needed.

I am mightily resisting the temptation to repost "right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingers" in this new context

ppl who claim this is how men talk i've been involved in plenty of raunchy conversations in my lifetime if a man spoke like this in front of me i would never speak to him again

yeah c'mon, these are people to avoid. I dunno any guys that talk like this.

he's totally going to play the "ad hominem tu quoque" route, liberals are hypocrites cos we let Clinton 'off the hook' and are offended by this now.

Does she need to, though? The press will take care of that.

being a successful politician means always pressing your advantage

there's a readymade response to that (which I posted upthread)

― Οὖτις, Friday, October 7, 2016 5:31 PM (fifty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea hillary has been prepping for trump to mention the whole campaign prob, pretty easy to deflect and there aren't many scenarios in which trump doesn't look like an asshole for bringing it up

She spent the summer deliberately generating as little news as possible to maximize the impact of all this noise, she's going to go personally and directly after him on this and I applaud it

i've only met a couple people that actually talked like this, behind closed doors or not, and both of them were during high school, and both of them threatened physical violence against me at some point

(xposts)That's what I'm thinking--during a presidential debate, he'll start quoting verbatim the stuff he claims Bill has said to him on the golf course. Things would get extremely ugly. I'm not sure that Clinton needs to go down that road; Trump is in for a week of pure hell regardless.

Probably a moot point he's so far behind now.

Daniel Foster‏ @DanFosterType
I’ll say it again: Every Trump quote sounds better if you imagine it delivered by a petty criminal in a tracksuit with a Balkan accent.

thing is, we scoff here at that kinda talk on the golf cart, but there are plenty of men (across the entire political sphere) that say things like that in private.

doesn't make it right, but you may be surprised how many people will earnestly defend this shit.

*course

he'll start quoting verbatim the stuff he claims Bill has said to him on the golf course. Things would get extremely ugly.

lol this would be near-suicidal for him. Kinda hope he does do it!

That statement manages to cram two red herrings, a tu quoque, and an "I apologize if you were offended" into three lines.

a) it looks desperate, b) it isn't ON TAPE/objectively verifiable, c) it automatically generates sympathy for Hillary, d) it's more horrible shit coming out of Trump's mouth

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He should quote some of the shit Hannity says to him in private. Because come on, every talks like this, what's the big deal?

"Hannity told me I have the biggest balls"

(xpost) It wouldn't help Trump, no, not at all. But would HRC want that stuff said, if she thinks Trump's liable to say it? It is her husband.

xp to Neanderthal and it may not lose him any votes with those fuckheads, but it'll lose him votes with EVERYONE else.

I don't think Hillary should be losing any sleep over how this affects Bill.

lol nytimes story doesn't even mention the "grab them by the ---" line

are you seriously worrying about Hillary's feewings being hurt by some dumb bullshit coming out of a desperate, flailing Trump's mouth

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pretty sure there's nothing Bill has said about women that Hillary hasn't heard already.

"Bill said he liked having his balls licked, but that he liked to douse them in olive oil first--"
'Trump'
"No Anderson, this is important...."

*Mr Trump

lol nytimes story doesn't even mention the "grab them by the ---" line

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The recording could prove damaging to his efforts to seem presidential

they could, they're just not sure yet

HRC has to be hoping that trump says something, because i think an easy "get" is "oh now we're supposed to believe your word when you and your running mate tell us we shouldn't believe the words we hear coming out of your own mouth were ever actually said nor would they mean anything if they were"

Alex - I kinda feel like Trump's cratering anyway so ain't denying his chances are basically vanishing daily but I dunno if this is gonna be the individual knockout blow that we think it should be (even though any candidate in previous years coulda been deflated by it, look at Herman Cain - granted those were lawsuits but...).

but Trump has proven that he isn't Teflon at this point. it's just that we greatly underestimated how polarized the populace is that some people will mark D or R no matter wtf their candidate does.

the times does include "bitch" and "tits", so maybe they thing their readers are better than they used to be about keeping down their breakfast?

I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary lulls him into thinking she's not going to needle him this go around, and just subtly find ways to force him to talk about the things on his own, because then not only does he look bad, he then can't even claim she brought it up.

and best believe this item, even with less than 48 hours prep time, is gonna get added into the fray. but it'll be an ace in the hole cos, well, she kinda has a lot more ammo than at the first debate, kinda amazing considering IT JUST HAPPENED

lol Fox has also excised the "grab them by the pussy" line

You're probably right, she'll bring it up because she can, and because there's no defense, all Trump can do is dig himself a deeper hole. Personally, I wouldn't; the tape's out there, nothing more needs to be done. Anyway, she won't have to bring it up; it'll be brought up by a questioner, and if not--if it's allowed, I'm not sure--by a moderator.

the thing that bugs me about the "tu quoque" defenses is that, I get that dummies are quick to use it, but I sorta want to ask them "ok, even if you're right, you've proven that other people say this thing too and might be hypocrites, but do you *personally* think it's ok or *not bad* to say something like this, and would you be ok with someone who talked like that driving your daughter to school, teaching her class, supervising her prom?". like what is your 'actual opinion' on what he said?

that's what makes it a fallacy

I'm curious whether the Hillary team is hearing this for the first time too, or if it came from their camp. It must be fun getting to strategize on things like this.

i keep thinking about this line from http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-dangerous-acceptance-of-donald-trump

“If Trump came to power, there is a decent chance that the American experiment would be over. This is not a hyperbolic prediction; it is not a hysterical prediction; it is simply a candid reading of what history tells us happens in countries with leaders like Trump. Countries don’t really recover from being taken over by unstable authoritarian nationalists of any political bent, left or right—not by Peróns or Castros or Putins or Francos or Lenins or fill in the blanks. The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal. Ask Argentinians or Chileans or Venezuelans or Russians or Italians—or Germans. The national psyche never gets over learning that its institutions are that fragile and their ability to resist a dictator that weak.”

and that's why i want the press to just keep hitting and hitting and hitting right up and through the election. it's good for the national psyche. i don't think it undoes what he's done, especially since the "he's verifiably a racist" stuff has been seen by everyone to make depressingly little difference. but humiliating him in a two horse race then dismantling him psychologically and financially is a start.

Trump's basically just pouring gasoline on himself at this point, and Hillary doesn't just have a box of matches, she has a flamethrower

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or if it came from their camp

this was totally leaked to WaPo by some PA from the network or similar

the cameraman, the sound engineer, the dolly operator, etc. those guys keep this stuff.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/mike-pence-donald-trump-comments-women-229303

boom operator (doubt there was a dolly shot involved lol)

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