I'm seeing a lot of Miller/Darrow's Hard Boiled in this.
― aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 00:51 (seven years ago) link
Caprica did it well!
― rb (soda), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 00:57 (seven years ago) link
Blade Runner had a lot more going for it than wondering who was/wasn't a synthetic iPods or whatever
― rb (soda), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 00:58 (seven years ago) link
I want them to show the pre-Wild Bill android and it's Chappie
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh ๐), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 01:15 (seven years ago) link
Caprica was fun as I recall. How come people who imbue synthetic life with consciousness always seem to smoke btw?
― Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 02:25 (seven years ago) link
noir affectation + forbidden habit that is still relatable
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh ๐), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 02:33 (seven years ago) link
if it didn't smell horrible, stain everything, make you look like a melted candle and cause long-term health problems, it'd be great
all things that replicants don't care about and fictional cigarettes don't cause
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh ๐), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 02:35 (seven years ago) link
They fixed all that stuff in the future
Notice we haven't see anyone vaping
― Number None, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 12:24 (seven years ago) link
The Einger: Our Craziest โWestworldโ Theories
I like Jason Concepcion's theory that the characters are modeled on Bartle's MUD player taxonomy. But I thought you guys would appreciate this:
Alison Herman: My craziest, most out-there Westworld theory is that โฆ I refuse to have a Westworld theory. I do not believe there is anything to theorize about. What we see is genuinely what we get. Take that, Reddit!Hear me out: Like so many lab rats, weโve been trained to associate Nolan projects with batshit-crazy reveals. Add in J.J. โI Gave a TED Talk About How Much I Like Mysteriesโ Abrams and youโve got a rock-solid case for the logic that most of the internet, including this question, is following, i.e., that something big is coming down the pipeline, and itโs our job to find out what it is. But what if Abrams and Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy Nolan are one step ahead of us? What if theyโve gone so far into twist territory that theyโve come out the other side? What if the twist is that there is no twist, and the most out-there speculation you can make is that there is no speculation to make?
Hear me out: Like so many lab rats, weโve been trained to associate Nolan projects with batshit-crazy reveals. Add in J.J. โI Gave a TED Talk About How Much I Like Mysteriesโ Abrams and youโve got a rock-solid case for the logic that most of the internet, including this question, is following, i.e., that something big is coming down the pipeline, and itโs our job to find out what it is. But what if Abrams and Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy Nolan are one step ahead of us? What if theyโve gone so far into twist territory that theyโve come out the other side? What if the twist is that there is no twist, and the most out-there speculation you can make is that there is no speculation to make?
― El Tomboto, Friday, 14 October 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link
they only dropped episode 2 early because of the debate, I guess
was kind of hoping I could watch it earlier this weekend
― mh ๐, Friday, 14 October 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link
Man, Elsie (the lady host-technician) really hates her, uh, work environment
― El Tomboto, Monday, 17 October 2016 01:18 (seven years ago) link
The first time they shot that scene, instead of explaining what the bicameral theory of the mind is, Jeffrey Wright just belched. Should've stuck with the first take.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 17 October 2016 01:45 (seven years ago) link
if I wrote this: Anthony Hopkins is the robot created by Arnold, Arnold is hiding in the park and the map is his
― mh ๐, Monday, 17 October 2016 01:48 (seven years ago) link
Let it be said that I kind of want to give the third episode a hug for blowing up most of my hypotheses and making me just look forward to whatever happens next. Damn the guns of Chekhov! I'm kind of genuinely worried about a couple of these people now!
― El Tomboto, Monday, 17 October 2016 02:37 (seven years ago) link
Anthony Hopkins' character streamed bone tomahawk
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 17 October 2016 05:33 (seven years ago) link
~on TCM, of course~
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 17 October 2016 05:36 (seven years ago) link
OK goddamnit, I'm in for the season.
$40,000 a day huh?
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 17 October 2016 07:28 (seven years ago) link
lol Sufjan
― mh ๐, Monday, 17 October 2016 14:03 (seven years ago) link
There's still been no real anchoring time evident has there? I mean only times have been relative. Ed Harris storyline already being 30 years old, Anthony Hopkins having set the park up a certain amount of time ago. So could be 30 years or upwards away from now, just needs a time line where life like seeming androids are invented and computer memory has somewhat advanced.
Otherwise main points of technology are that hand held device related to the office landscape.
So still wonderig when it is actually set, though not sure how relevant to the story that is
― Stevolende, Monday, 17 October 2016 14:18 (seven years ago) link
Hoping the Julian Jaynes allusions are going to be a recurring theme!
― ryan, Monday, 17 October 2016 18:12 (seven years ago) link
uh, was that the smoke monster I heard?
― Number None, Monday, 17 October 2016 23:35 (seven years ago) link
they named it Arnold
― mh ๐, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 00:12 (seven years ago) link
fantheory where westworld is secretly revealed to be a prequel to lost and the island is the ruins of a theme park gone wrong
― rip my mensches (s.clover), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 06:22 (seven years ago) link
My theory is that westworld is just an adjunct to Wally world
― calstars, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 09:26 (seven years ago) link
going back a bit, i thought it was pretty clearly telegraphed that the boy Ford talks to in the desert is himself as a child (both British, both costumed in white shirts and black pants; the talk about the remark "both" their fathers made about boredom). not sure why he would make a host of himself
the fact that we don't get to see "arnold" in flashback suggests to me that arnold either doesn't actually exist, or that arnold is someone we've already been introduced to.
i'm a little puzzled about dolores' disappearing-reappearing gun.
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 14:09 (seven years ago) link
she's glitching, for sure
tbh i have had those days
― mh ๐, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 14:15 (seven years ago) link
I saw that as rapidly flipping back and forth between the memories of all the variations on that scenario that she's lived through.
Super into this btw, which I did not expect.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 14:29 (seven years ago) link
did not expect to hear "Pissed up in SE1" on the piano roll this week.. the show is constantly bringing a smile to my face. will Wyatt's crew hurt the new guest? was Teddy tortured, or....?
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link
really weird feelings about the implied rape revenge dynamic going on here
― mh ๐, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
This is pretty neat
http://www.polygon.com/tv/2016/10/17/13306082/westworld-dolores-bioware-npc
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link
This season is going to be one long MIB origin story.
I scanned this thread a bit before watching the first episode and was waiting for Michael Ian Black to show up.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 13:20 (seven years ago) link
I was waiting for Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones
― mh ๐, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 14:40 (seven years ago) link
what the hell maze game
― El Tomboto, Monday, 24 October 2016 01:12 (seven years ago) link
Good to know that in the future bucket wheel loader technology hasn't changed one bit.
Also we seem to have gotten an answer to a question I had about whether 100% of the life in the park was artificial - Ford says he and Arnold were responsible for every blade of grass - but how does the ecosystem work then?
― El Tomboto, Monday, 24 October 2016 02:19 (seven years ago) link
it was rhetorical
― mh ๐, Monday, 24 October 2016 04:22 (seven years ago) link
Does Delos have other themed parks juxtaposed to Westworld in this? The space they have seems vast as it is.
― Stevolende, Monday, 24 October 2016 06:50 (seven years ago) link
In the movie there were other theme parks--one of them Ancient Rome--but nu-WW runners say this isn't the case here (though they have lied before)
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 24 October 2016 17:58 (seven years ago) link
I'm currently a host in Midwestworld. We're self-aware that this is a simulation but it's mundane enough that I just kind of deal with it.
― mh ๐, Monday, 24 October 2016 18:07 (seven years ago) link
I don't think it was rhetorical. I think the ecosystem really is supposed to be fully self-contained and artificial.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 24 October 2016 18:20 (seven years ago) link
going back a bit, i thought it was pretty clearly telegraphed that the boy Ford talks to in the desert is himself as a child (both British, both costumed in white shirts and black pants; the talk about the remark "both" their fathers made about boredom)
patron sailer completely otm, think this is meant to be clear
― niels, Monday, 24 October 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link
i didn't pick that up at all.
this is holding my interest but i'm kind of planning on it getting ropy and stupid pretty quickly here. i feel like it's doling out its secrets in irritatingly small pieces but i guess that's the form innit.
it's unclear to me in a not-pleasing way exactly what kind of diagnostic alerts and real-time monitoring the managers have. you'd think if there was a set procedure for dealing with hosts that start to have strange ideas, then something like thandie newton discovering her earlier drawings of hazmat men would set off alarm bells.
otoh i like the idea that the software for fake-consiousness is so complex that they are stuck w/ using the conversational 'interface' and limited logs to figure out what they host was 'thinking'
i don't think the show has really captured what a game-player's mentality is, the good guy dork and evil brosexual are a snooze. there's something about a double consciousness that doesn't have much to do with "morality" -- wanting to really enjoy and get into 'character' as part of an immersive experience, but at the same time level up, acquire shit, maximize your time, see the outer limits of the design, fuck with the rules, etc. the show is def too self-serious to be all that insightful about how ppl behave in sims and what that might mean.
the scene between hopkins and the danish manager was pretty tense and unsettling but idk corporate conflict between R&D and bean-counters is not usuall so operatic. it all seemed a little unprofessional if u ask me.
― goole, Monday, 24 October 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
The quest to find Wyatt - Secret origin of nice guy gunslinger who previously had no real backstory - Black hat's quest finds tattooed snake woman who is searching for Wyatt - Wyatt has some demon cult, the native americans have figures of the WW technicians that resemble Hopi kachina dolls and some backstory that they view them as walking between worlds
The quick cut from the revelation snake lady's plan is to bust into the prison to black hat being on the prison transport was something I didn't quite catch originally. A prison break always happens but it's triggered early (with the exploding cigar gag!)
"Where are you from?" "Same as you, don't you remember?"camera pans down to little girl's sketch in the dirt of the maze patternorion's belt -- it's not orion's belt, but the lines and dots look like they could be laid over the maze as a map with waypoints
"a world where you can do anything you want -- except die"who is it that really can't die? the guests can't be killed, but the hosts are repaired, repurposed, or put in storage
― mh ๐, Monday, 24 October 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link
desert hills aren't 100% safe regardless what the robots are supposed to do. maybe the guy just tripped or drowned or something.
― goole, Monday, 24 October 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
I hope for a multi-season mystery of what happened to arnold, then they reveal he accidentally tripped and hit his head on a rock. Or maybe it was auto-erotic asphyxiation.
― mh ๐, Monday, 24 October 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
Arnold is Dolores you guys
― El Tomboto, Monday, 24 October 2016 22:18 (seven years ago) link
Can't spell Dolores Abernathy without A R N O L D
― El Tomboto, Monday, 24 October 2016 22:20 (seven years ago) link
I hope for a multi-season mystery of why in the name of fuck they leave the bullets inside the hosts sometimes. Maybe they'll leave it completely unanswered!
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 03:44 (seven years ago) link
Didn't get how a request for explosive use was communicated. & is that something that happens every time a guest improvises an apparently spontaneous plan with danger involved.
Just caught one of the story moderators or whatever the HQ job is called responding to the call & giving ok.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 07:10 (seven years ago) link
I guess that was just to communicate that THEY ARE WATCHING EVERYTHING
But I guess they are NOT ACTUALLY WATCHING EVERTYTHING if Thandie Newton can bury all those pictures without being noticed
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 10:52 (seven years ago) link
Is taht down to her being a host not a guest. & they've only been expecting hosts to follow pre-programmed storylines that they know the parameters of for the main part.BUt looks like AI is becoming stronger even if it is just old programmes corroding and running into each other which isn't a way I thought those things worked. Certainly not to take on a life of their own.But maybe I'm thinking of things in a more binary way than things will turn out to be. But I thought that was still the basic model idea for programming anyway.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 11:57 (seven years ago) link