old lunch otm. was this a pretty good comic book t.v. show? yeah, it was a pretty good comic book t.v. show.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
"I lost my phone at the barber shop" smdh
― quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Thursday, 27 October 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link
That was really the only thing that irritated me
― ¶ (DJP), Thursday, 27 October 2016 21:41 (seven years ago) link
the music stuff reaaaallly pulls a lot of weight in making this enjoyable for me. I mean, they even used my favorite John Lee Hooker song ("It Serves You Right to Suffer") in a brief bit.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 October 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link
yeah the music is so good all the way through
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 28 October 2016 04:15 (seven years ago) link
ok yep that phone was some bullshit
everything else, i loved. crowd cheering luke uiring the fight was v cool
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 28 October 2016 05:05 (seven years ago) link
*during
I can't remember if I already posted this upthread but: anybody who doesn't dig Cottonmouth can fuck right off with their terrible opinions
― Tell me who sends these infamous .gifs (bernard snowy), Friday, 28 October 2016 05:17 (seven years ago) link
... lol wait, I meant Diamondback. Cottonmouth was the boring villain.
― Tell me who sends these infamous .gifs (bernard snowy), Friday, 28 October 2016 05:18 (seven years ago) link
Neither of them was boring?
― ¶ (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2016 05:34 (seven years ago) link
dan otm
― sarahell, Friday, 28 October 2016 07:01 (seven years ago) link
okay I may be overstating the case but Diamondback definitely outshone him... hell even Mariah outshone him IMO. and I saw some comments in this thread about how the series took a turn for the worse after ****SPOILERS**** the brutal death of mister stokes and subsequent refocusing on the other villains ****END SPOILERS**** so I was prepared for it to go down like that, and thus sensitive to the fact that actually, it did not go down like that
― Tell me who sends these infamous .gifs (bernard snowy), Friday, 28 October 2016 10:54 (seven years ago) link
I loved Cottonmouth. I especially loved his ability to be genuinely amused by the things going on around him, even when he was angry or otherwise out of sorts.
I also really liked Domingo and his quiet, smug confidence. Literally nothing rattled him until Luke showed up at his gym.
cliched writing is never good.
Disagree. Cliches are neutral, it's all in how they're executed.
― GUNSHOW POOPHOLE (Phil D.), Friday, 28 October 2016 12:10 (seven years ago) link
http://cbr2.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/mariah4.jpg?auto=format&lossless=1&q=40&w=700&h=1053&fit=crop
http://www.cbr.com/the-bizarre-history-of-luke-cages-black-mariah/Did wonder if that was supposed to be the same character. She appears once in Hero For Hire #5 which i read a couple of weeks back. All the early stories seem to be pretty self contained apart from the back story since the Doctor behind the transforming experiment is helping to run the local medical facility that Claire Temple works at and Luke is therefore connected to.
― Stevolende, Friday, 28 October 2016 13:12 (seven years ago) link
I mean, 'same' in the sense that any of the MCU characters are the same ones from the comics. Everyone has been tweaked in their transition to the screen, some obviously more than others.
― I'm not a dummy. I'm not. (Old Lunch), Friday, 28 October 2016 13:18 (seven years ago) link
Cottonmouth was great. idg the "meh" reactions at all
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 28 October 2016 16:20 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I kinda get the Shades shade and I can see if people thought the portrayal of Diamondback was a little too OTT but the rest of the major players were irrefutably good to great. Irrefutable!
― I'm not a dummy. I'm not. (Old Lunch), Friday, 28 October 2016 16:23 (seven years ago) link
DB's motivation was ice thin but I enjoyed him chewing the scenery.
― Pean-Juc Leeecard (Leee), Friday, 28 October 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link
The mix of character portrayals — more naturalistic in some characters, hammy and OTT in others — gave me some dissonance headaches. It wasn't as simple as "the heroes play it understated, the villains chew the scenery, that's one way to tell them apart" because Alfre Woodard's (great) performance was pretty cool (and made her moment of violence in E7 even more powerful). Overall I liked this better than both seasons of DD -- it and J.Jones S1 are more or less tied for first in my mind.
― aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Friday, 28 October 2016 17:02 (seven years ago) link
cottonmouth was the least worst of the uninteresting baddies, but it's mahershala ali who brings the greatness. pretty much across the board the cast worked miracles selling exceedingly weak sauce.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 28 October 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
Not to much to enjoy in this apart from a likable lead performance and often excellent music. Terrible dialogue, cliched characters. Boring fight scenes, never the sense that Luke is remotely in any danger.
I wish it would embrace Marvel silliness a more. There's a scene in episode two maybe where Cottonmouth is standing over some snitch or something and the music is building up to something terrible, and I was really expecting him to open up his mouth to superhuman proportions and swallow the goon whole like a snake, but no he just beat the guy to death with his fists. Disappointing. Like, what's the point of using Marvel characters if you're just gonna tell a straight forward crime story a lot less competently and interestingly than dozens of other shows.
I've only watched the first four, maybe it improves.
― chap, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 11:04 (seven years ago) link
never the sense that Luke is remotely in any danger [...] I've only watched the first four
yeah, keep going cuz things do change on that front
one of the things i liked most about luke's fights with low-level scrubs is the lack of tension, tbh - it's fun to watch a superstrong invincible guy stroll his way through a battle, swatting away opponents with an open hand. and mike colter is so good at projecting invincibility!
― yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 11:34 (seven years ago) link
Exactly. DD has already given us the extended fight sequences where our hero gets his spleen kicked out through his butthole. It's cool that we get a counterpoint to that, as well.
― My son has a confession to make. It's about your waffles. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 12:26 (seven years ago) link
rip DD's spleen
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 14:44 (seven years ago) link
yeah i find most of the fights kinda comedic & enjoyable, it's fun seeing yr hero effortlessly CREAM the badguys
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 19:21 (seven years ago) link
Cage rules everything around me.
― Pean-Juc Leeecard (Leee), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link
I think the idea of power and black indestructibility that Luke Cage represents in this series is a desperately-needed media image, personally.
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 19:46 (seven years ago) link
It has been a long time since Steve Urkel.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:09 (seven years ago) link
yeah the humorously-indestructible-during-fight-scenes things doesn't bother me a bit, I find the endless iterations of Marvel superhero fight scenes where the hero *is* technically vulnerable but the viewer knows nothing is really at stake way more irritating.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:22 (seven years ago) link
imo the near complete lack of reaction when shot is less humorous than it is symbolic. he doesn't even shrug off bullets, they're not a concern. the people shooting are denied the satisfaction of even a flinch
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
Luke's invulnerability in the early episodes sets up an effective contrast with his suffering in the prison flashbacks.
― Brad C., Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:36 (seven years ago) link
Boring fight scenes, never the sense that Luke is remotely in any danger.
Uh, isn't it known from episode 1 that he escaped from prison and is wanted by the authorities and could get sent back to South Carolina Supermax, or whatever the name of the institution is? He also doesn't have money or a stable place to live, after his building burns down. He might not be "in danger" while fighting, but the repercussions of those fights are definitely dangerous for him.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 22:05 (seven years ago) link
^^
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link
finished this last night.it looked and sounded gorgeous.enjoyed the attempt at mixing social drama, and full on old school goodies vs baddies beat'em up.
at the end, of the two bad guys, i definitely preferred cottonmouth to diamondback.cottonmouth had a more interesting back story. his love of music, and keyboard skills that were put a brutal stop to.the dilemma of 'what could have been', whereas diamondback it was just 'daddy loved you more than me .. '.
did chuckle at the anti-Cage rally in the club though.at the back of the crowd, someone was holding up a sign : "the only superfreak we love is rick james"
― mark e, Thursday, 19 January 2017 18:49 (seven years ago) link
lollll I missed that!
― What is home without Plumleee's Potted Meat? (Leee), Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
cottonmouth is a way better villain than db, yeah
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link
Mariah is the best villain in the show
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:18 (seven years ago) link
otm
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:23 (seven years ago) link
oooh totally re mariah ..
i was specifically on about the guys
― mark e, Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:35 (seven years ago) link
and did everyone spot the stan lee cameo ?
was not his usual type of appearance ..
― mark e, Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:37 (seven years ago) link
yeah mariah is the fkn business
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 January 2017 20:35 (seven years ago) link
Mahershala Ali is fantastic and his scenes with Alfre Woodard are incredibly compelling. The rest of the show could have been garbage and I'd still think that: the rest of the show was not even close to garbage. I forgive a show that gets so much right when it overreaches occasionally (some of the "insert inspiring speech here" moments worked despite the actual words in the script, the weird tonal change after Cottonmouth's death was offputting as hell), 'cause it's better than the alternative, God knows.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 19 January 2017 22:42 (seven years ago) link
I never actually finished this, I stopped on the episode where Diamondback shows up and shoots Luke and just kinda forgot about it.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 January 2017 22:43 (seven years ago) link
dude srsly
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 January 2017 04:23 (seven years ago) link
ok I went back to this. a few things:
- lol @ "lemonade was a popular drink" ref- generally this show has way more exposition than I find generally acceptable. Just tons of scenes w characters melodramatically restating their motivations and current role in the plot. exposition /= character building- the bit w Method Man was awesome, so perfect- I have one episode to go, finally the epic fight scene sheesh
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
I do think the actors generally elevate the material, and so many of the little details are right that the show's world feels lived in and compelling
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
Second season trailer is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU4Xn__5Qjg
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
I've been kinda wondering over the past couple of weeks if Marvel is now kicking themselves in the seat for relegating Luke Cage to Netflix.
― I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
Something to note, building on the Jessica Jones second season
http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2018/04/neema-barnette-millicent-shelton-kasi-lemmons-steph-green-and-salli-richardson-whitfield-among-luke-cage-season-2-directors/
Also, Coker's been quoted as saying a Heroes for Hire combination could be interesting.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2018 13:35 (six years ago) link
New trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB1in0KkoG4
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 May 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link