Oscar years that would be no fun to poll and illuminate very little about Hollywood: 1952, 1963, 1983, 2003.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 April 2009 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link
I would like to illuminate ILE's film preferences.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 April 2009 15:19 (fifteen years ago) link
B&C for sure. Morbz otm about the Graduate
― shit was shocking as fuck back then (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 April 2009 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link
In The Heat of the Night
Morbz not OTM the post-Elaine sequences of the Graduate are well worth it just for the gorgeous Berkeley backdrop and Norman Fell.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 April 2009 16:57 (fifteen years ago) link
someone once said the last section of the graduate is like "crepey stalker gets the girl" and it made me go hmmm
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 24 April 2009 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link
It's pretty unapologetically exactly that.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 April 2009 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link
a remake from elaine's POV would be interesting
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 24 April 2009 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link
But if you shook Elaine's head you'd hear a rattle.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 April 2009 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link
They'd have to completely change the casting. Katherine Ross couldn't act her way out of paper bag.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 April 2009 17:05 (fifteen years ago) link
plus she's 70 years old now, might be a little confusing for the audience
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 24 April 2009 17:05 (fifteen years ago) link
lolz where did you steal this line from
― shit was shocking as fuck back then (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 April 2009 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link
dimwitted coed stalked by greasy creepo, no wonder the movie was a hit
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 24 April 2009 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link
my fave scene in The Graduate, however, might be the very last NOW WHAT one on the bus.
I'm glad Eric no longer hates Sidney Poitier.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 24 April 2009 18:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I think I only hated his performances, not necessarily his legacy, and now I'm seeing how the one clouded my judgement of the other.
The best scene/line in The Graduate is "You're missing a great effect here" as the tassels are twirling.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Friday, 24 April 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
ive always liked the seduction scene and the "art talk"
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 25 April 2009 00:23 (fifteen years ago) link
at MoMA last week, Nichols quoted the MAD Magazine parody where Ben asks his parents, "Why am I Jewish and you're not?"
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 25 April 2009 00:26 (fifteen years ago) link
'in the heat of the night', that movie is really, really dope
― ~*GAME 2 SNYPA*~ (omar little), Saturday, 25 April 2009 00:27 (fifteen years ago) link
except the murder mystery stinks
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 25 April 2009 00:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Eric, i should con you into viewing Guess once (for the ice cream scene at least) by reminding you that Isabel Sanford plays their maid.
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 25 April 2009 01:20 (fifteen years ago) link
the Graduate is the better film, but I enjoy Bonnie & Clyde more. GWCTD is no slouch, either, obv. I guess it is appropriate that '67 would be a year for zeitgeist films to be up for the top honors. I haven't seen the other two.
― SORCEROUSES..roll on stage! (Pillbox), Saturday, 25 April 2009 02:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Doctor Doolittle is clearly the one thing that is not like the other on that list.
― Alex in SF, Saturday, 25 April 2009 02:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Point Blank smashes all of these.
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 25 April 2009 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link
that's why i voted for it. it's not hard to love bonnie and clyde, but i think the graduate was smarter about where things were going. no blaze of glory, just a lot of wtf.
plus -- anne bancroft.
http://www.vanityfair.com/images/culture/2008/03/cuar01_graduate0803.jpg
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 25 April 2009 05:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Here's where I say I'm definitely more in B&C's camp than Benjamin's.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Saturday, 25 April 2009 05:20 (fifteen years ago) link
It won't take much to con me into seeing any of these five films in the immediate aftermath of reading this book.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Saturday, 25 April 2009 05:21 (fifteen years ago) link
I know it's the boring old anti-challops, but the scuba-diving gear scene in TG is fucking awesome. I'm still voting B&C tho.
― SORCEROUSES..roll on stage! (Pillbox), Saturday, 25 April 2009 06:03 (fifteen years ago) link
E, you're going to subject yourself to Anthony Newley?
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 25 April 2009 07:46 (fifteen years ago) link
'Tom Servo if you don't stop doing your Anthony Newley impression I'm gonna throw you against the wall...'
― Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 25 April 2009 10:55 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm definitely more in B&C's camp than Benjamin's
benjamin probably feels the same way.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 25 April 2009 13:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Not only would I subject myself to Newley, I'd even subject myself to Rex Harrison.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Saturday, 25 April 2009 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't not vote for Beatty/Hackman in the end.
― Easy Hippo Rider (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 April 2009 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Just want to add to the "goddamn is this a great book" chorus. (I voted B&C.)
― Matos W.K., Saturday, 25 April 2009 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Really want to read that. Also do I really have to wade in here and point out the BIG difference between '67 and '68? Production Code abandoned in '68.
Doctor Dolittle was the first movie I ever saw in a theatre, according to my mom (I caught meningitis that night, she claims). She had a momcrush on Newley. Our local PBS affiliate used to run all these brittle Rex Harrison films from the '30s and '40s and seen now they're all like watching Tony Blair's dissolute misogynist twin. Favourite is The Graduate, though.
― suggest bánh mi (suzy), Saturday, 25 April 2009 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Production Code abandoned in '68.
And the result was some of the dullest nominees in the history of the Oscars, I guess.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Sunday, 26 April 2009 04:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Rex Harrison is pretty super in Major Barbara and Unfaithfully yours, and even the by-the-numbers film of My Fair Lady.
The single scene that led Beatty to cast Hackman in B&C, his only one in Lilith, is a real stunner.
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 26 April 2009 04:34 (fifteen years ago) link
As opposed to the years before '68? I dunno, man.
― Matos W.K., Sunday, 26 April 2009 06:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Or after, yeah yeah yeah.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Sunday, 26 April 2009 06:36 (fifteen years ago) link
bonnie & clyde, though in the heat of the night is not to be sniffled at. i know i'm supposed to like the graduate... but i hate it.
― i am david suzuki (get bent), Sunday, 26 April 2009 07:39 (fifteen years ago) link
'68 was The Lion in Winter, though. Only one of my top films of all time and probably one of the bitchiest films since All About Eve. <3
― suggest bánh mi (suzy), Sunday, 26 April 2009 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, TLIW has by far the best Hepburn Oscar-valiadted performance.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 April 2009 14:25 (fifteen years ago) link
it's middlebrow fake-classy history sitcom stuff, but she's funny.
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 26 April 2009 15:25 (fifteen years ago) link
It's the ancestor of Peter Morgan's film/stage career.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 April 2009 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link
so IOW, goddamn it to hell!
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 26 April 2009 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 03:51 (fifteen years ago) link
This book sort of keeps getting better and better. Loved the tidbit about how excited everyone on Heat's crew was about shooting in the south for authenticity. How excited everyone was, that is, except for Sidney Poitier.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link
And this video contains two of my three favorite Parsons moments in B&C:
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link
This is when Hollywood cinema starts to become a problem for me. I find the pomposity of The New Hollywood unearned. And in general, 1967-1980 reeks of two steps forward-six steps back, esp. re: the dismantling of the Production Code. Still, I'd like to read Harris' book even though the word "Revolution" immediately makes me skeptical. And like Eric, I love stories about doomed and/or clueless productions (although my fave example is the unwatchable Song of Norway).
If we're merely voting for our favorite film here, then Bonnie & Clyde for me please.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 06:09 (fifteen years ago) link
^Oh, interesting. Tell us what you like about the Production Code.
― Josefa, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 06:15 (fifteen years ago) link
It's not about liking the Production Code. It's about the absurdity of the idea that with its dismantling we could finally talk about this, that, or the other taboo subject in film.
But after reading Patricia White on the Production Code restrictions of These Three (1936) and how it differs from the supposedly more progressive remake The Children's Hour, I could easily say I love the Production Code (in this particular instance).
See also Molly Haskell's From Reverence to Rape. And This Film Is Not Yet Rated.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 06:38 (fifteen years ago) link
The Children's Hour (1961)
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 06:41 (fifteen years ago) link
i should have said those are my favorite AMERICAN films.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 12 February 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
also dr. doolittle really is an atrocity.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 12 February 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
I couldn't finish rewatching Two For the Road a few months ago.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 February 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that's a pretty good list but I didn't like Two for the Road either.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 February 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
Stanley Donen also did Bedazzled that year, which is nominally British but was produced by Donen and Fox; whatever it is, it's not much more British than 2ftR.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 February 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
Who's That Knocking at My Door was technically '67, although just a film festival screening. That'd be on my list, probably Titicut Follies, too, even though Wiseman got much better. It was a dire year:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_films_of_1967
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 February 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
the dirty dozen was much better than any of the Oscar-nominated American films from this year, IMHO.
― it might look subversive, but it's actually crap ... crap does exist (Eisbaer), Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
(tho' i do like in the heat of the night, the graduate and bonnie & clyde well enough)
― it might look subversive, but it's actually crap ... crap does exist (Eisbaer), Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
i love reflections in a golden eye more than any of these films with the exception of Point Blank
― mehkarl (buzza), Sunday, 12 February 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:29 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's true, but like you said somehow bedazzled is considered a UK film b/c of financing.
in honesty i haven't seen 24tR in a few years. i remember being very impressed by it -- thinking its resnais-inspired scrambled timeline and elliptical editing was both virtuosic and put to good purpose. but i may just have come in w/ low expectations.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 13 February 2012 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
as a sort of supplement to his book, Mark Harris has a biweekly Film Comment column on '67 in film
Blowup (Dec '66) first up
http://www.filmcomment.com/blog/cinema-67-revisited-blow/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 January 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
Harris on Preminger and Ritt's topical race movies
https://www.filmcomment.com/blog/cinema-67-revisited-hurry-sundown-hombre/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 March 2017 21:31 (seven years ago) link
thought you were gonna post that terrible Beatty-Kael piece
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 March 2017 21:37 (seven years ago) link
rong year, silly
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 March 2017 21:42 (seven years ago) link
Not really -- B&C is a linchpin of the essay.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 March 2017 22:08 (seven years ago) link
I think the Netflix series of Five Came Back is released tomorrow.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 30 March 2017 23:16 (seven years ago) link
the 4K Criterion of The Graduate on Blu Ray is a thing of absolute beauty. not having seen it for a good 10-15 years or so i'd not thought of it as an especially good looking film, nor particularly well photographed. couldn't have been more wrong.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 01:16 (seven years ago) link
Some of it is (intentionally) grotesque--the first party scene, the wedding--but I agree that there's soft-focus stuff that's beautiful: Elaine leaving for Berkeley, the zoo, the "April Come She Will" sequence.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 04:11 (seven years ago) link
'67 best-ofs, including Mama Cass's
http://lwlies.com/articles/best-film-lists-of-1967/
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 13:09 (six years ago) link
I threw together my best-of for L'boxd; Weekend came closer to making it than any of the Oscar nominees.
1. PlayTime 2. Point Blank 3. Belle de Jour 4. Mouchette 5. Le Samouraï 6. The Red and the White 7. David Holzman’s Diary 8. Titicut Follies 9. Bedazzled 10. Wavelength 11. The President’s Analyst 12. The Two of Us
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:59 (six years ago) link
I had BDJ and Weekendp on my '68 list:
Playtime (Jacques Tati)La Chinoise (Jean-Luc Godard)Le Samourai (Jean-Pierre Melville)Bonnie and Clyde (Arthur Penn)Point Blank (John Boorman)Branded to Kill (Seijun Suzuki)Reflections in a Golden Eye (John Huston)La Collectionneuse (Eric Rohmer, France)Mouchette (Robert Bresson)Love Affair; Or the Case of the Missing Switchboard Operator (Dusan Makavejev)
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 January 2018 21:19 (six years ago) link
Reflections is close for me, Brando possible best actor (if not Marvin or Tati)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 January 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link
doctor doolittle is *the worst*, yet it contains cinema's greatest minute pic.twitter.com/nZRgY3Db9b— Neely O'Horror (@_katiestebbins_) September 17, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 21:33 (five years ago) link
otm
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 22:33 (five years ago) link
have we rethought these?
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 03:05 (two years ago) link
I don’t think I was here for the first round, but those numbers look about right to me (still have never seen GWCtD, though).
― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 03:21 (two years ago) link
The vote distribution almost perfectly parallels how the book views the films, I'd say--#2 and #4 could maybe add a couple of more votes each. Still think '75 would make a great sequel: two popular critical successes (Dog Day and winner Cuckoo's Nest), two sprawling auteur films (Nashville and Barry Lyndon--great ones, before the debacles that mark the turn of the decade), and, pointing the way to the future (and a greater film than almost all the massive box-office fare that follows), Jaws.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 04:29 (two years ago) link