Wow. Whoa. That is some group of people. Thousands. - US Election Day 2016

to the Cubs, owned by a Trump supporter...

And the personal financier of Scott walker

just glad we can get back to making these threads about morbs

Cubs obv lesser evil, but i'm mature

are you mature enough to vote Hillary tho?

Okay yeah, so, it's important to recognize that it is not unprecedented to have Republicans in both houses, with a dipshit Republican president rubber-stamping things, and the Bush era WAS awful and 2004 WAS until yesterday the worst post-election morning of my lifetime. The big difference to me is the emergence of the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus types during the Obama administration. All their feuding with Boehner/Ryan goes away without a Democratic president they're trying to strategize around, and you're left with a huge swath of dipshit Republicans for roll-call votes, and leadership cadres that are now MUCH further right than they were in the Clinton and W eras. It's going to be rubber-stamping of absolutely demonic shit, the kind of draconian nightmare Republican government we've all been fearing for a long time unless some of them break ranks (doubtful) or that trying to gut Social Security along with the rest of the federal government just takes so long that a really well-organized opposition can make gains back in the midterms (yeah right).

And in the meantime, Trump is following Reagan in appointing to his cabinet and all the executive agencies people who are either his corrupt and incompetent old real estate crony friends, or right-wing true believers who are also sycophants good at making him feel smart, and whose main goal in running these agencies is to make them nonfunctional. That's terrifying whether it's an Anne Gorsuch type at the EPA in the face of climate-change disaster, or fucking Rudy Giuliani controlling the Justice Department and rolling back even the baby steps towards investigating police departments and trying to prosecute brutality cases. And a million other things.

I've said above, I worry that Rudy Guiliani is not the problem, Steve Bannon is. Big pendulum swings in politicians suck, but this is the rise of /pol/.

I guess the Consumer Protection Bureau is probably dead now too, right?

Glad morbs is back, kinda unnerved that shakey hasn't shown up since Wednesday night (called us a bunch of nervous nellies)

Was that his last post? I think he said that right after I emotionally announced I was jumping off the thread (to go panic in bed with the pillow over my head). Also not sure why Ned suddenly stopped posting about the election after the 4th.

Ned's taking a break

It seemed premature. The only thing that lined up with that date was the disappointment of no oppo from Rick and the others who'd been teasing it.

that comes across as very judgmental FYI, sometimes people need a break for their own sanity

how has wilson reacted to all this shit btw

why are we still posting here

Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

that comes across as very judgmental FYI, sometimes people need a break for their own sanity

― sleeve, Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:25 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was only speculating- he can take a break whenever and for whatever reason he wants. I was just curious if there was a direct reason like that.

gotcha, sorry if that seemed like I was jumping on you.

Not at all! I definitely don't want to come across as judgmental.

I was taking great comfort in Ned's early voting updates back when there was a confident glimmer of hope in the world.

Shakey is waiting until everyone has forgotten just how full of shit he was - he'll be back with new certainties soon I'm sure.

i don't blame shakey for his confidence in "the process", the signs pointing to what happened were there but they seemed to be unlikely scenarios.

I would imagine being that confident going in and then being wrong is kind of world shattering especially when it results in a Trump presidency. It's hard enough to deal with the reality of the outcome alone.

I would imagine being that confident going in and then being wrong is kind of world shattering especially when it results in a Trump presidency. It's hard enough to deal with the reality of the outcome alone.

― Evan, Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:55 PM (fourteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea i was feeling fairly confident until prob about 10:30 or 11pm tuesday night. even as big states we're being called for trump i was still thinking "clinton doesn't need that state, or that state, or that state" until there were few states left to make a difference.

kind of ironic how he told me i lived in a "strange bubble"

anyway no hard feelings

Come back shakes we need your thoughts on this new map of hell

the only ILX prognosticator i'll trust on anything going forward is Snrub on the Cavs.

In Wisconsin, Clinton lost by about 1% of the vote – but if Stein’s supporters had voted Democratic, Trump would have lost the state.

In Michigan, Clinton appears to be on track to lose by about 0.3% of the vote – but if half of Stein’s supporters had voted Democratic, Trump would have lost the state.

It always feels wrong and unfair to me when people pin responsibility on a small minority group of third-party voters who chose to vote their conscience, given that half the electorate actually cast a vote in favour of Trump. It is the latter who are at fault imo.

OTM

it was true in 2000 and it is true now

yes looks like ignoring the wishes of third party voters is a great way to lose elections

Adam if I say that you are 100% right that liberal moderate Dems made a terrible mistake ignoring the wishes of the left and they are responsible for these circumstances and that you knew this all along and warned us and we should've listened -- will you stop making the same argument over and over again? Like is it possible you are just saying it because you feel no one has heard you yet? I hear you. I understand your position. You have been heard. Let's move onto something new.

Ah c'mon Adam, I with you on some aspects of this - there are absolutely untapped voters out there not served or inspired by what the Dems have been selling. But do we think Clinton would have won big by adopting Stein's platform? Or even that Stein's voters would have not still voted for Stein?

* I'm

a million little things all swung the election because the election's margin was so slim. enthusiasm, comey, wikileaks etc.

it's unfair to pin full responsibility on them, but it's not unfair to call these people idiots. presumably they are distraught about the results of this election yet they weren't willing to do the smallest thing - fill in a different bubble on a sheet - to help prevent those results.

who knows though, some of them (e.g. morbs) might be basically happy about the results. I imagine some people voting 3rd party in a swing state after what happened in 2000 might just be genuinely crazy / out of reach.

^grim liar

What ifs need to be understood in full context; you can't just change one variable and assume all others remain constant.

If Clinton's messaging had gone full-bore after Stein voters, or Sanders diehards, or unionized auto-workers, or gypsum distributors, or left-handed fishermen, or transgender circus performers, or dental hygienists (or whatever), then you're assuming that those rhetorical moves would not have lost her any nervous suburban soccer moms (or whatever).

Adam if I say that you are 100% right that liberal moderate Dems made a terrible mistake ignoring the wishes of the left and they are responsible for these circumstances and that you knew this all along and warned us and we should've listened -- will you stop making the same argument over and over again? Like is it possible you are just saying it because you feel no one has heard you yet? I hear you. I understand your position. You have been heard. Let's move onto something new.

― Mordy, Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:14 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe everyone else howling about stein could move onto something new too? or is this only a one way standard

will everyone who thinks that I, a cancer patient who may become unemployed by spring, am happy about Trump's election please chime in?

good. i thought not. move on.

I didn't vote for Jill Stein because she's a total fucking idiot.

it's not unfair to call these people idiots

call them whatever you want. but calling them idiots and then expecting them to vote for your candidate is a pretty idiot move.

thing that bugs me about stein and johnson votes (as compared to bernie ppl) is like both those candidates are fucking SHITHEADS and seem like they would have been disasters, whereas bernie was a longstanding senator, had a progressive but reasonable policy platform, understood how washington worked, experience, yadda yadda yadda

stein is like one annoying daycare mom who's always sending out group emails and whose kid has a made-up peanut allergy

johnson seemed like there was genuinely something wrong with him

i just didn't understand the "i supported bernie in the primary now i'm switching to stein", like they weren't comparable to me....like "oh kanye retired guess i'll listen to lil' dickey instead"

maybe everyone else howling about stein could move onto something new too? or is this only a one way standard

yes i think a. this is the fault of stein voters and b. this is the fault of ppl who didn't reach out to stein voters, are both pretty valueless counterfactuals

all that reaching out to #nevertrump republicans seemed to have been an abject failure. romney's voters en masse voted for trump

call them whatever you want. but calling them idiots and then expecting them to vote for your candidate is a pretty idiot move.

If you do anything at all in life based on what complete strangers on the internet call you, you may, in fact, be an idiot.

romney's voters en masse voted for trump

That takes me back to when McCain/Palin supporters thought that "PUMAs" (anti-Obama Hillary supporters) would vote with them.

stein is like one annoying daycare mom who's always sending out group emails and whose kid has a made-up peanut allergy

loves the Indigo Girls

can we close this thread? There are three live.