How long until Trump hires a foxy security detail and lets cameras follow them 24/7.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
xpost I'm just trying to encourage people to channel their dread into something positive. Volunteer, donate, educate themselves and others about voting rights and voting registration, protest, converse with other people and try to find areas of agreement whether you're on the exact same page or not.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link
Here's a channel: call AND email your congressmen about Speaker Ryan's Medicare ambitions.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
I had been meaning to post this, maybe it helps some people:Concrete Suggestions in Preparation
― (somber synthesizer music) (doo dah), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
apparently congressmen are starting to earn about it: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/details-trickling-in
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
Charlie's Angels strangely prescient
― marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
is it ok for suicide hotline counselors to recruit for the resistance
― xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link
what does mike rogers stepping down mean?
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:19 (seven years ago) link
Personally, I'd have no idea what to say, and might be rather less than helpful. "Yeah it sucks for you, a person who is probably going to be fine. It's going to suck a lot more for those more vulnerable than you. The lives of the downtrodden and the marginalized were already pretty dire and they're likely to get worse. But, um, hey! Cheer up! Go for a walk or something!"
Yeah. Trump is an incompetent, corrupt, unstable man if you're a minority, but he all of a sudden becomes an incredibly gifted leader and administrator without an ounce of corruption if you're white. Like magic! Just about everyone is screwed under Trump, just some more than others, unfortunately.
― larry appleton, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
xp - if you bleeve this WaPo guy:
@gregpmillerReports that Mike Rogers pushed off Trump transition team in purge of Christie allies. Intel officials see Rogers as voice of reason.
not much to do re calling my congressman, he's about as liberal as they come:
https://twitter.com/RepJerryNadler
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link
It was just dawning on me today how many undocumented immigrants there likely are all around me and how insane it would be if they were all deported. Queens would be a ghost borough. My wife's school would empty out. It's really horrifying.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
Mike Rogers stepping down is one more post they don't have a name for, that's it.
This is going to be the longest transition ever.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
hopefully this means his org will be a headless chicken and unable to coordinate with congress on anything
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
also looking forward to all the conflicts of interests stories that these next four years will bring http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/us/politics/donald-trump-holdings-conflict-of-interest.html
i mean:
The labor dispute in Nevada represents another potential complication. The president appoints all five members of the National Labor Relations Board. But over the past year, the Trump International Hotel Las Vegas has been in a battle with the culinary workers union, at first challenging an effort by hotel employees to unionize. The labor board ruled against him in July. Then the hotel, which Mr. Trump co-owns, refused to begin negotiations with the new union, and the labor board again ruled against it, in November. Other labor disputes with employees are pending.“Will he as president of the United States of America use the power he has to interfere — given that he has a financial interest in the outcome of these matters?” said Bethany Khan, a spokeswoman for the 57,000-member Culinary Workers Union Local 226 of Nevada.
“Will he as president of the United States of America use the power he has to interfere — given that he has a financial interest in the outcome of these matters?” said Bethany Khan, a spokeswoman for the 57,000-member Culinary Workers Union Local 226 of Nevada.
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link
I briefly took some comfort in thinking that his cabinet was going to resemble the unorganized and constantly rotating clusterfuck of his campaign team but then I remembered the part where the unorganized and constantly rotating clusterfuck carried him to victory.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:30 (seven years ago) link
Yes. Yes, of course he will.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
He will do nothing that runs counter to his own interests and he will do as much as possible that favors his own interests. This is reflective of the first 70 years of his life and we have no reason to believe the next four years will be any different.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link
guys i'm starting to think trump might not make for a good president
― not all those who chunder are sloshed (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link
https://newrepublic.com/article/138757/obama-warning-america-trumps-presidency-listening
some close reading of obama's comments yesterday
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link
Even if none of the rest of our worst fears are realized over the next four years, I don't see how the US can possibly avoid a recession or worse at the absolute bare minimum.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
this sums up the vibe right now
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/anti-trump-protester-knocked-down-flight-stairs-ohio-state-university
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
circling back to the filibuster question, I read the links posted above and yet I still can't shake the feeling that GOP senators are absolutely going to use the nuclear option. nothing they've done over the past eight years gives me any reason to strongly think otherwise. and learning that the Dems deployed the option for appointments means they already have a convenient "both sides do it" defense. obviously appointments and legislation are two different things, but the GOP knows its voters won't split those hairs (and the media will perhaps only do it half-heartedly). I see the argument that McConnell et. al wouldn't want to open this box because of what will happen when they're deposed, but I'm still not buying it. from their perspective, how often do you get a chance like this, to really have no roadblocks to passing whatever insane shit you can dream up? I hope I'm wrong but I'm just not very confident right now.
― evol j, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:43 (seven years ago) link
"I have a friend who is a psychotherapist and is offering low-cost post-election counseling."
My therapist hates banks and wants to move to Finland.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:46 (seven years ago) link
Cass Sunstein, ladies and germs
https://twitter.com/tinyrevolution/status/798542032016998400
also@tinyrevolutionHistory & science show victory turns men into giddy testosterone monsters capable of anything. Watch for this with Trump & his personnel.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link
Pelosi and Reid (who won't be around much longer) don't give much cop to cooperation, thankfully.
Schumer though
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:48 (seven years ago) link
for the filibuster, one consideration Republicans have to make is that they will not have a majority forever. The filibuster was their favorite tool when they were in the minority. They may not want to completely give that away.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
Wouldn't getting rid of the filibuster would just clear the path to making sure they're never in the minority again.
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:03 (seven years ago) link
Minus would, and it's a question
They probably imagine they can voter suppress their way to remaining a majority for the forseeable.
― more like dork enlightenment lol (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link
getting rid of the filibuster would make the next few years a real nightmare but also allows for progressive legislation that we could never dream about otherwise
which is my guess why it prob will not happen
― iatee, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link
It would be high-risk - I can't seem them winning the next presidential election, if there is a next presidential election (I am normally quite sneery about that level of alarm, but Steve Bannon is not normally the chief strategist at the White House).
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:08 (seven years ago) link
what are the chances of trump mobilizing enough voters to vote in trump surrogate and trump-friendly republicans in 2018?
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:11 (seven years ago) link
I think we have no idea, the most you can say is that midterms tend to go poorly for the party in charge
― iatee, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link
Obama repeatedly touted the fact that Trump will be inheriting many advantages: low unemployment, rising incomes and wages, a historically low uninsurance rate, stable financial systems, a high stock market, strong international alliances, and cheap gasoline. Is this true? Cheap gasoline isn't a good long term goal or really short term either.
― JacobSanders, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link
the other thing to consider is that Republicans may be less incentivized to get rid of the filibuster because Democrats are less likely to abuse it. There's no reason to assume that Democrats will take up the policy of filibustering every single bill.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:16 (seven years ago) link
― iatee, Tuesday, November 15, 2016 11:14 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark
guess i'm thinking back to the tea party voting in a bunch of house reps a few years ago
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link
Well:
After exchange w Trump transition team, changed my recommendation: stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly,’’ tweeted Cohen, who served from 2007 to 2009 as counselor to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. He was a driving force behind an open letter last spring — eventually signed by 122 Republican national security leaders — who opposed Trump’s candidacy.
Cohen, who last week had urged career officials to serve in Trump’s administration, said in an interview that a longtime friend and senior transition team official had asked him to submit names of possible national security appointees. After he suggested several people, Cohen said, his friend emailed him back in terms he described as “very weird, very disturbing.”
“It was accusations that ‘you guys are trying to insinuate yourselves into the administration…all of YOU LOST.’…it became clear to me that they view jobs as lollipops, things you give out to good boys and girls,” said Cohen, who would not identify his friend.
Cohen also said the transition official was “completely dismissive” of concerns raised about Trump’s appointment of former Breitbart News head Stephen K. Bannon as chief White House strategist. Bannon has been denounced by advocacy groups, commentators and congressional Democrats as a proponent of racist, anti-Semitic and misogynistic views, though Trump advisers have strongly defended him.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:28 (seven years ago) link
Midterms normally go badly for the party in charge, but the senate map looks incredibly bad for democrats, and they would also have to deal with lower turnout. There's 23 dem seats, two independent seats (hi Bernie!) and only 8 republicans. Democrats in the entire midwest is up for reelection...
Dean Heller (R) in Nevada could be defeated, perhaps. The dem machine in Nevada seems like a model to follow. Other than that, it looks bleak, though.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-transition-shake-part-stalinesque-purge-christie-loyalists-n684081
"stalinesque purge"
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:33 (seven years ago) link
They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!”
finally, common ground
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:37 (seven years ago) link
and they would also have to deal with lower turnout
we have to work to ensure this is not the case
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:39 (seven years ago) link
It would be lovely if Trump's cabinet of deporables convinced him not to work with anyone outside of their little hateful circle. Seal yourself up in a little bunker for four years, fuckers. We'll break off the handle.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:40 (seven years ago) link
Like a lot of folks I'm pretty depressed and fearful about this, but I am also concerned that some of the rhetoric coming out of this mood is a potential tactical error. Lots of talk of Hitler and Stalin and nuclear war and never having an election again: I get it, I get where it's coming from. But it does sort of hand rhetorical ammunition to the Trump reelection campaign, in that all he has to do to prove it false is not be actual Hitler. Then his side has the talking point "they said we were Hitler, and look, we're not herding millions of people into gas chambers, so they lie and they suck and why should you trust their dire predictions any more."
― marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:41 (seven years ago) link
worked for obama
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link
agree that there's some OTT shit happening right now but the left is essentially traumatized/going through the grief cycle right now.
I do think this level of terror can be leveraged into motivating voter turnout in the midterms - as Karl's post implies, this worked for the GOP, there's no reason it shouldn't work for us.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:44 (seven years ago) link
hey look our next attorney general
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeff-sessions-racist-comments-derailed-federal-judgeship
Sessions denied being racist, the New Republic reported, and defended himself by citing his children's attendance at integrated schools as well as multiple occasions when he shared a hotel room with a black lawyer.
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
slashfic waiting to happen tbh
― not all those who chunder are sloshed (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link
Just sayin, there's plenty to be said about the actual horrible words and actions of these garbage people. And I'm sure they'll keep giving us more to say.
― marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link
I'm wary (and weary) of the Hitler analogies too. I understand its therapeutic value, but we can't fall into the trap of OMIGOD GUESS WHAT TRUMP SAID TODAY like we did when Bush was president. Two-term presidents have no problem being underrated (Ike, Reagan, Bush II), no problem having their syntax corrected because the press can follow only one story at a time, and a malapropism will get more hits than Trump eliminating COBRA.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link