Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

I honestly think that the GBP doesn't give much of a flying one about this kind of issue, and there might even be a slim majority in favour of turning the country into a giant Panopticon

Yup - bits of the government have gone out of the way to avoid things that seem like ID cards (ie giant ID databases) & I've looked through the testing on the alternatives. A lot of users are either 'but you already have a giant ID database, why don't you just use that?' or 'You're the government, you _should_ have a giant ID database'.

(have to be a bit vague, sorry)

xp
is the Public Whip/They Work for You not better for digging in that stuff?

yes, they are definitely more user friendly for voting data, jesus that parliament site is literally 50 massive PDF links per page.

xp The latter wasn't all that helpful, a lot of discussion but couldn't really find the votes - going to Hansard and searching for Divisions (if you know the date you're looking for) was pretty painless.

You could actually pass on that info without being so smugly superior AF, but no doubt you are busy shitting Cuban cigars right now:p

Er, sorry if I'm coming across like that - I was just trying to be helpful, I don't mean to imply I have any mystical knowledge here. I spent a while trying to find it via other means and then stumbled into it (definitely _not_ by searching on Hansard, it was a link off the main parliament site but when I tried to retrace my steps it was just a brick wall).

I mean, if anyone has the right to act superior, it's not the guy who noted loudly that there were two Lib Dem 'No' votes on the earlier bill, but didn't spot that there were 57 Lib Dem votes total rather than, say, 8.

I wasn't being totally serious btw. I'm just not very good at this humour malarkey.

xps Agree with what ppl are saying about mood of the country. The argument against the snooping bill feels very very uphill

I mean like 'there ought to be this barrier between the individual and the state' 'what even for PAEDOS AND TERRORISTS' 'yes'

Jeremy you have failed us on Brexit but for Gods sake man FIDEL CASTRO HAS JUST DIED PAY A FUCKING HEARTFELT TRIBUTE ALREADY!

Keep up - he's already getting trashed by Michael Deacon and Stephen Pollard for his statement.

Trump showing Corbyn how this should be done:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Fidel Castro is dead!

say what you want about Trump, but difficult to imagine anyone taking issue with that

Keep up - he's already getting trashed by Michael Deacon and Stephen Pollard for his statement.

― Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Saturday, 26 November 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have been a reading a piece abotu Cuban prisons so forgive.

His statement wasn't posted on his twitter when I checked earlier

Get you a Labour leader you can rely on:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-corbyn-hails-fidel-castro-as-a-champion-of-social-justice-a7440696.html

There is probably a limited amount you can hold against Corbyn for his statement when Justin Trudeau and Michael D are saying the same thing but, damn it, they're going to have a good go.

wtf:

Philip Collins Verified account
‏@PCollinsTimes

For those saying Cuba=New Labour, I might add that Blair too improved health & literacy and, amazingly, did so without any political murders

no political murders under Blair's watch, it's official

https://mobile.twitter.com/malaiseforever/status/802517729697759232

The responsible left weighs in.

Is that what we're calling Nick Cohen these days?

correct term: "the Soi-Decents"

We call him a drunken slob, if spotted in the Islington farmer's market!

Thursday
Just occasionally, select committee proceedings give you an insight into how the rest of the world sees us. During a recent session of the public accounts committee – at which the Department of Health civil servant Chris Wormald made headlines for saying the NHS was planning on making patients show theirs passports to access treatment – one gem slipped under the radar. During a question about reciprocal healthcare arrangements for foreign pensioners, the chair, Meg Hillier, asked Wormald if he had any comparative figures for Spain. “Yes,” he said promptly. “At our last count there are 62 Spanish … ” “Not 62,000?” interrupted the Conservative Richard Bacon. “62 Spanish pensioners,” said Hillier. “You’re kidding me.” “62 Spanish pensioners live in the UK and about 70,000 British pensioners live in Spain,” replied the bewildered Wormald, who couldn’t see what the fuss was about. “62?” Hillier repeated incredulously. “We are not the retirement place of choice,” Wormald explained.

that's rough

surprised it's that many

The thing is who the hell is doing the Cuba=New Labour thing? Love to read that illusion being spun out.

This is great, seriously, Abbott has really stepped in: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/26/labour-will-not-win-a-general-election-as-ukip-lite-says-diane-abbott

There is probably a limited amount you can hold against Corbyn for his statement when Justin Trudeau and Michael D are saying the same thing but, damn it, they're going to have a good go.

― Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Saturday, 26 November 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trudeau is losing his lib cool:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/27/justin-trudeau-ridiculed-over-praise-of-remarkable-fidel-castro

michael d rumours i hear from my innergov gay contacts are choice

how did this guy become one of the most prominent political broadcasters in the UK?

Jeremy Vine ‏@theJeremyVine
Is the phrase "tyranny of the majority" a John Major original? I have never heard a politician say anything like it

I wonder if there's any connection between the general incomprehension with which the public respond to the idea that referendums are potentially undemocratic and the fact that the ppl whose job it is to makes these issues comprehensible are all "Alexis de WHOville????" on twitter?

he got the job after shooting the previous sheriff iirc

May's been quoted as saying her 'faith in God will guide our path out of Europe'. Hopefully not the same God who was advising Blair on Iraq!

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n23/frederick-wilmot-smith/who-speaks-for-the-

I have to read the 1st half of this piece again around the complicated legal args on Brexit case at the Supreme Court (even then I don't think I'll understand as I'm no expert see) - take away is the government can very much win the appeal.

Noodle Vague, is this an Eric Clapton reference I am not getting?

no, it's a reference to his finest hour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7JX8D1Kb88

There is, then, no possible way of defending the minority ... from the tyranny of the majority, but by giving the former a negative on the latter

- Bob Marley

Good one NV ! I had forgotten that. It is funny and remarkable.

Eddit Hitler In. No kisses.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/6B25/production/_92692472_mediaitem92692468.jpg

http://i2.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article11203249.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS59801345.jpg

the new leader may seek to exploit Eurosceptic fears that May will not be able to deliver a clean break from the EU that reduces immigration and cuts ties with the single market.

At the same time, there may be an opportunity to woo pro-Brexit Labour supporters in the north of England who were unhappy with their party’s campaign to remain.

Nuttall, a former university history lecturer from Bootle in Merseyside, has been seen as the senior Ukip figure most likely to be able to connect with this vote.

The MEP has strong rightwing views on crime, is open to a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty for child killers, and opposes abortion.

I think this was a bad choice by UKIP - I can't see him expanding support beyond people who already vote UKIP. Which is good, of course. Plus the guy already has 'nut' in his name, which shouldn't matter, but I bet tabloids are already writing puns they'll be looking for a story to fit to.

He is horrible, also probably the smuggest politician since Salmond in his pomp, though at least you could argue Salmond had stuff to be smug about.

Anyway, in case anyone hadn't realized it before, this is UKIP very much going after Labour voters the Tories don't think they can get to, cosy little arrangement there.

is open to a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty for child killers

tbh in this political climate a pro-nonce-hanging platform is probably a surefire votewinner :(

also otm tbf

5k fps for an execution nbd

loves his executions

tbf the punishment for rape of any kind should be 'let the victim decide' and if the victim's learning-impaired or a minor then 'let the victim's family decide' imo in a perfect world, with necessary limits on torture &c

"you can walk free, but legally required to wear I AM A RAPIST shirt in public forever"

"on pain of death"

http://talkradio.co.uk/