Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n23/frederick-wilmot-smith/who-speaks-for-the-

I have to read the 1st half of this piece again around the complicated legal args on Brexit case at the Supreme Court (even then I don't think I'll understand as I'm no expert see) - take away is the government can very much win the appeal.

Noodle Vague, is this an Eric Clapton reference I am not getting?

no, it's a reference to his finest hour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7JX8D1Kb88

There is, then, no possible way of defending the minority ... from the tyranny of the majority, but by giving the former a negative on the latter

- Bob Marley

Good one NV ! I had forgotten that. It is funny and remarkable.

Eddit Hitler In. No kisses.

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the new leader may seek to exploit Eurosceptic fears that May will not be able to deliver a clean break from the EU that reduces immigration and cuts ties with the single market.

At the same time, there may be an opportunity to woo pro-Brexit Labour supporters in the north of England who were unhappy with their party’s campaign to remain.

Nuttall, a former university history lecturer from Bootle in Merseyside, has been seen as the senior Ukip figure most likely to be able to connect with this vote.

The MEP has strong rightwing views on crime, is open to a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty for child killers, and opposes abortion.

I think this was a bad choice by UKIP - I can't see him expanding support beyond people who already vote UKIP. Which is good, of course. Plus the guy already has 'nut' in his name, which shouldn't matter, but I bet tabloids are already writing puns they'll be looking for a story to fit to.

He is horrible, also probably the smuggest politician since Salmond in his pomp, though at least you could argue Salmond had stuff to be smug about.

Anyway, in case anyone hadn't realized it before, this is UKIP very much going after Labour voters the Tories don't think they can get to, cosy little arrangement there.

is open to a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty for child killers

tbh in this political climate a pro-nonce-hanging platform is probably a surefire votewinner :(

also otm tbf

5k fps for an execution nbd

loves his executions

tbf the punishment for rape of any kind should be 'let the victim decide' and if the victim's learning-impaired or a minor then 'let the victim's family decide' imo in a perfect world, with necessary limits on torture &c

"you can walk free, but legally required to wear I AM A RAPIST shirt in public forever"

"on pain of death"

http://talkradio.co.uk/

tbf the punishment for rape of any kind should be 'let the victim decide'

this is a bad idea. Altho perhaps not much worse than the current system of 'let the rapist decide' so idk

nashwan is Minister for Naysaying

Bananaman Begins is Secretary of Trenchant

fair

tbf the punishment for rape of any kind should be 'let the victim decide' and if the victim's learning-impaired or a minor then 'let the victim's family decide' imo in a perfect world, with necessary limits on torture &c

turning criminal justice into a sideshow def a great idea, would back 100%

The advantage of the legal system is that it allows an 'external' resolution for issues. Otherwise you get endless recriminations that endanger society. It's not so important from that standpoint what or how the decision is - it ends the violent state of a crime, and that's it's value. We should, of course, try to make those decisions as just as possible - but moving backwards is, I think, a terrible idea, and weakens social structure. The victim can now be blamed for the punishment, which will happen. Recriminations will multiply and unsettle communities. I'm very pro penal reform, but I'm not in favour of undermining the structure of justice itself.

Victim will also be liable to outside pressure innit.

Even more than at present.

Which is good, of course. Plus the guy already has 'nut' in his name, which shouldn't matter, but I bet tabloids are already writing puns they'll be looking for a story to fit to.

kind of hope the tabloids don't give him some kind of "nut" based nick-name, as it risks distracting from what should be his official title, i.e. "bad bootle ukip meff":

https://twitter.com/paulnuttallukip/status/558416166004469760

his official title is paul nuttalls of the ukips

also, I said 'in a perfect world' of course I'm not dismantling the justice system here lol

Don't know much about him apart from the Stewart Lee thing and the bad meff thing but imo ukip is still too rooted in nineteenth hole snobbery to unite behind a leader from Bootle

In a perfect world there wouldn't be rapes tho

upgraded to Minister for Checkmate

you can deliver all my checkmates

I'll even let you do it in a Palace shirt

I believe in being gracious in crushing victory

Like my mentor Alan Pardew lol

his official title is paul nuttalls of the ukips

this is the problem - imo "bad bootle ukip meff" is much funnier than "paul nuttalls of the ukips", especially because it's totally self-inflicted and a reminder that he chose to highlight this comment that hardly anyone would have noticed otherwise - but other people feel differently, and I'm worried that the split could mean that neither catches on

just like to point out that our reserves just beat palace's reserves. carry on

I can't see him expanding support beyond people who already vote UKIP

I don't think these are safe times to be making any predictions

Farage will be back within six months.

Like a bad tuppence

Well at least it's not a fucking Euro eh?

I don't think these are safe times to be making any predictions

Ha, that's true - I've been wrong about almost everything political for the past 18 months, so certainly not a strong claim.

I think he will do quite well and more against Labour than Con and it is therefore bad news.

I suppose the only silver lining conceivable would be eg: in fighting Labour, he takes UKIP 'to the left' in a certain way and thus moves their Overton window.

Speculative at best, I know, esp given his views cited above.

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The Angerous Brothers

the line between the cartoon grotesque exaggeration of political satire and actual photographs of real scumbag players has always been not that far off, but...

Talking of satire
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/28/uk-unlikely-to-stay-in-single-market-tory-document-suggests?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Is this
A. Rank incompetence
B. Pushing Chatham house rules to their limit to undermine the leave lobby
C. Part of a thick it / black mirror hybrid script
D. Having your job and eating it too?

the line between the cartoon grotesque exaggeration of political satire and actual photographs of real scumbag players has always been not that far off, but...

He literally looks like a character from Viz.

the line between the cartoon grotesque exaggeration of political satire and actual photographs of real scumbag players has always been not that far off, but...

if dudes who looked like either of these dudes arrived as the new manager of the shop where you worked or a new co-worker in your office you would have to consider your options or just move on right away

he takes UKIP 'to the left'

I very much doubt this.

In a more Strasserite direction maybe, not really useful to decribe it as 'left'.

If Labour can't find a way to beat this guy then they should deselect every single sitting MP and just start again.