Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

She's from Bexleyheath, even the urban foxes are tory round there

2015 was a tough year for this A Lloyd Webber fan, never want to go through that kind of internal conflict again :p

im shocked that a middle-class english musician who makes progressive rock could be a conservative.

have your barf bags at the ready:

https://twitter.com/ProgressOnline/status/803684565621600256

Now I don't normally advocate shooting people in the face but

First comment is mint tho

Hah, that's a friend of mine (er, unless twitter is being tricky - Brevor Tastard?)

Haha I was just coming to post that Progress tweet. Special circle of Hell just for those cunts.

Reading that tweet on my desktop computer and seeing down the side bar the little info bit for Progress's twitter account and just thinking to myself "what in the name of fuck is wrong with you bastarts?":

Progress, Labour's new mainstream, is an organisation of Labour party members which aims to promote a radical&progressive politics

John McTernan otm, somehow

https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/803711188257247232

quite a few of the hardcore progress/blarite types seem uncomfortable with the anti-immigration/blue labour rhetoric, the other day I saw Spencer Livermore of all people, praising Diane Abbott for an article defending free movement. Abbott really is doing god's work by standing firm on this issue against the vast majority of the PLP (and quite a few of the people on team Corbyn afaict?)

The word progressive is completely fucking meaningless at this stage, although I could imagine that tweet coming from Eric Clapton.

Its like someone looked at the UKIP leadership results and the guff spouted about how UKIP could fuck Labour and believed every word of it, then had a full day and drafted the tweet about 15 times before posting it.

and had zero idea of what "assimilation" has historically meant in this discussion

it turns out that Kinnock had lots of bad opinions at this event:

ProgressOnline ‏@ProgressOnline
.@SKinnock 2008 changed everything ... Labour must take responsbility for the drift that lead to the rise in authoritarianism.

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.@SKinnock Nobody on the doorstep listens to me when I say, 'think about the economic benefits of immigration'

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.@SKinnock Labour has to reassure the British people that we understand and respect their desire for control over immigration.

ProgressOnline ‏@ProgressOnline
.@SKinnock We must recalibrate our approach on immigration and talk, as patriots, about what unites us, not what divides us.

hard to believe that a privileged white middle class kid grew up with shitty political opinions

The Telegraph recently described him as "the red prince" in an article about him allegedly trying to conceal the tuition fees of the private school his daughters attend. I don't why he bothers, it isn't like he has a reputation to protect and is plainly another waste of a private education like Smith was. But "the red prince" lol wtf

I mean actual poshos like Clement Atlee and Tony Benn have made decent socialists but that's because they actually bothered to interrogate their background and their position in life. Nothing I've seen of Kinnock Jr suggests that he's in the Labour Party for any other reason than accident of birth and I don't believe he's done the slightest self-reflection for all the pretence of doing so.

The only way the Labour Party is going to offset the rise of right-wing authoritarianism is by offering something that is indisputably more attractive and there isn't any sign that they know how to do so.

At this stage I'm fully expecting to see some Labour pamphlet outlining The Progressive Case For Eugenics.

Idly googling whether anyone has put out the case against the modern identity politics, and it turns out the MP for Aberavon has in fact had some views last week on how it's a distraction because everybody is suffering under the Tories.

Please stop being otm Matt as it's quite depressing.

Kinnock was in conversation with Margaret Hodge last week at the LSE on the subject of "the new minority: white working class politics in an era of immigration and inequality". I was tempted to see if my old university pass still worked so i could go in and set off the sprinkler system.

It would be interesting to know whether his views have been influenced by, or overlap with, those of his wife's government but idk if anyone has the insight into domestic Danish politics we would need on that point.

wait so there's an actual real assimilation/borg/borgen joke waiting to be made here?

Big lols will accrue to whoever can land that one right.

Sorry but I just watched Carl Dreyer's "Ordet" last night, so the name Borgen does not signify big lols to me.

At this stage I'm fully expecting to see some Labour pamphlet outlining The Progressive Case For Eugenics.

For some reason I can't shake an image forming in my head of a sort of alt-right nazi version of Dave Angel-Eco Warrior. "We all like a good time, but here's one thing that aint no laughing matter- white genocide. I bet you've never thought about these liddle things called haplogroups..."

I'd be interested to know how Kinnock conceives a specifically white working class culture in terms beyond "distrust or hatred of non-white people"

nah, let me second guess him - it's about concerns re: community spirit, job insecurity, access to healthcare and education. and what Kinnock would like to do is not to tell people that the excesses of market capitalism and 35 years of UK governments rolling back the welfare state are not the main causes of those problems, but immigration is. either because he believes that, or because he believes in market capitalism and rolling back the welfare state and thinks immigration is an easier lie to sell to a gullible electorate.

(b)

hey, he's either a moron or evil, I'm comfortable either way

http://www.relatably.com/m/img/why-not-both-meme/66938800.jpg

“I think we need to make it very clear that the difference between ourselves and Ukip is that Ukip and the hard right of the Tories are nationalists and isolationists,” he said.

Whenever you're ready to start making that clear Kinnock please knock yourself out.

kinnock def putting clear water between labour and ukip/tories with statements like 'we must recalibrate our approach on immigration and talk, as patriots, about what unites us, not what divides us', good job buddy

http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/30/zac-goldsmith-hit-by-his-own-car-on-his-way-to-hustings-6292357/
zac^^^ trawling for the brian harvey vote here

Sorry but I just watched Carl Dreyer's "Ordet" last night, so the name Borgen does not signify big lols to me.

Ordet is great! That is all.

https://www.crowdpac.co.uk/campaigns/558/labour-first

surely no wiser use of a crowd-funded 40k!

They definitely need the money, judging by that hideous photograph.

i wonder how much it would cost to build a rocket capable of firing Stephen Kinnock into the sun

i think one now calls it solar assimilation

Denmark has dealt with populists in charge of immigration policy since 2001, so it's quite possible that Kinnock is being influenced by his wife. He's not really echoing Danish talking points, though, it differs when anti-immigration policy has been practice for 15 years. The debate becomes much more technical, less about standpoints.

we've all been there, partners making us go all racist

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8ZIeHam4vvw/hqdefault.jpg

I blame the parents.

Combat 1 of 8, can we do something with that?

not the first time a great man has been laid low by a dane pouring poison in his ear iirc

*applause*

Is that a reference to darraghmac and Fred?

just looked at that Labour First fundraiser thing and saw this:

Recent donations

Get Behind Your Democratically Elected Leader
1 minute ago
£1.00

now I'm worried that they might actually nickel and dime their way to the 40k via pass agg joke donations

It isn't like the PLP need any more encouragement to "put Labour first", they have been already doing it for years. Even to put some childish "obscenely bald Kinnocks" type offensive joke donation I wouldn't give these lowlife a penny.

Name withheld to prevent being purged by the loons £10.00
3 minutes ago

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2331400/thumbs/o-STEPHEN-KINNOCK-570.jpg?4

The Red Prince (aged 14)