I might need to sit with that Newsmax story for a little bit and really let it sink inI might need to sit with that Newsmax story for a little bit and really let it sink inI might need to sit with that Newsmax story for a little bit and really let it sink inI might need to sit with that Newsmax story for a little bit and really let it sink in
think about what you are saying
― marcos, Friday, 16 December 2016 16:03 (seven years ago) link
xpost It's less about whether it would've made a difference and more about the administration making that determination themselves on our behalf.
― My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 16:04 (seven years ago) link
marcos, fwiw, it's an NBC News story reposted by whatever the hell Newsmax is. If I get what you are saying.
― My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 16:06 (seven years ago) link
is "newsmax" actually a real news source?!
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall),
the NBC News story to which it linked is real
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2016 16:12 (seven years ago) link
sorry about the newmax links guys. i know in this time of fake news we can only trust certain sources
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-didnt-obama-do-more-about-russian-election-hack-n696701
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 December 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/16/china-live-fires-aircraft-carrier-group-amid-taiwan-tensions-with-us?CMP=share_btn_tw
everything is fine
― 龜, Friday, 16 December 2016 16:20 (seven years ago) link
I bet Trump is asking his people if the US can just give Taiwan to China.
Man, I hope he does not start a war with China before he becomes president.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 December 2016 17:13 (seven years ago) link
I have a question, does he have or is he trying to build hotels or other holdings in Mainland China?
― combat wombat (doo dah), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link
Dalai Lama named US ambassador to China.
― My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/16/china-seizes-us-underwater-drone-south-china-sea
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
That second one seems a lot less consequential. Just some sort of aquatic science thing. Reportedly.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 December 2016 17:19 (seven years ago) link
And this is only a month since the election... great.
― jmm, Friday, 16 December 2016 17:20 (seven years ago) link
I have a feeling in years back we will look at Russian interference in the election the same way we look at the Supreme Court case that gave us George Bush.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 December 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
Speaking of the Supreme Court, who is the worst possible choice Trump could make? Because we will probably get that person.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 December 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link
o btw I'm finding postmortems quite unpleasant now rn, but for people whose alternative vision of history suggests that HRC ran a campaign of "vote for me instead of the BAD MAN," please see this Vox piece.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/16/13972394/most-common-words-hillary-clinton-speech
The issue she talked about more than any other was jobs.
― troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link
http://tedcruz.trendolizer.com/assets_c/2016/01/2403011-thumb-300xauto-2089884.jpg
xpost
― walk back to the halftime long, billy lynn, billy lynn (Doctor Casino), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3361334/The-jury-s-Straight-talking-Judge-Judy-gives-verdict-Donald-Trump-tells-tone-speeches-down.html
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
Judge Judy is crazy about trump, anyone know her political leanings?
im trying to remember the circumstances under which bush withdrew his nomination of harriet miers and i wonder whether the same type of thing would happen w/ the current GOP and a dumb trump nomination
― marcos, Friday, 16 December 2016 17:34 (seven years ago) link
Newsmax, Daily Mail... Some great news sources today, guys.
― There shouldn't be a thread for Dennis Perrin tweets (stevie), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
Chronology:
Sandra Day O'Connor announces retirement.Bush nominates John Roberts to take her spot.Rehnquist dies.Bush movies Roberts to fill his spot.Bush nominates Harriet MiersThe Western world has a fit; Miers pulls out of nomination.Bush nominates Sam Alito
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
xpost Bruh. As has been mentioned at least three times, the Newsmax thing is directly quoting an NBC News story.
― My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
Michael Cohen for SC justice, surely?
― My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
― troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, December 16, 2016 12:31 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No, the word "job" was the most common word. For example, this speech has it three times, zero of them having anything to do with "jobs." http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/transcript-hillary-clinton-alt-right-reno-227419
We all remember when Trump said a distinguished federal judge born in Indiana couldn’t be trusted to do his job because, quote, “He’s a Mexican.”
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
Looks Like A Lot Of China To Me. Shit.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link
sorry missed the post upthread
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link
according to this she never even talked about Trump at all!
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
i bet he'll nominate peter thiel
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 16 December 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
It's also so classically Vox to be like "Her loss clearly didn't relate to economic issues, she said the word economy a lot!"
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link
Thiel for press secretary, maybe? I dunno. It would be a perverse nomination, no doubt, but does it hit the sweet spot of maximum possible perversity wrt that particular position? With metrics like this, it's no wonder it's taken him so much time to iron out his cabinet!
― My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 17:59 (seven years ago) link
Like, if there was a Department of Vegetarians, would you nominate a man wolfing down a bloody T-bone or the steak itself?
― My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
doubtful thiel would move to dc and give up his fawned over his sf tech billionaire life
― iatee, Friday, 16 December 2016 18:07 (seven years ago) link
Eh, he can just Skype in.
― My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:09 (seven years ago) link
Trump has joked about nominating his sister to the SC, so maybe he'll do that.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 December 2016 18:18 (seven years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryanne_Trump_Barry
Been a while since we had a Marion/Maryanne Barry in DC.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 December 2016 18:19 (seven years ago) link
Clinton's ads and the stuff her surrogates said was more noticeable than her speeches.
― Treeship, Friday, 16 December 2016 18:25 (seven years ago) link
I dont't dislike Secretary Clinton but I also don't get this urge to protect her, or to say she somehow ran an acceptable campaign. She lost to a cartoon villain.
― Treeship, Friday, 16 December 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link
Argh, my head just exploded.
― Snorting and all (Dan Peterson), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link
Ghost of Roy Cohn
― Treeship, Friday, 16 December 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link
GHOST OF BORK
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
Holy shit, Cohen went to Cooley Law School?!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Cohen_(lawyer)
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
I mean I normally avoid *elitist* credentialism, but that law school is literally a running joke.
uh, scratch that "literally", I don't think the joke is on foot
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link
Ranking way down in I believe the fourth tier of US News law school rankings, Thomas Cooley famously created its own ranking system that places Cooley in the top ten in the country, largely by giving outsized weight to library square footage, iirc.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
I dont't dislike Secretary Clinton but I also don't get this urge to protect her, or to say she somehow ran an acceptable campaign.
Basic human defensive reaction, innit, just to lessen the pain of being wrong. "When Prophecy Fails" and all that.
The campaign was so emotionally wrought that a lot of people wound up deeply tied-in to it, and those emotional connections ain't detached too easily, esp. due to the shock & trauma of the loss.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
All of this only makes a nomination feel more likely. xp
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link
I'm less inclined to blame Clinton herself than the Democratic Party as a whole. The had 4/6 Presidencies and a lot of Congressional control and real wages/inequality/etc. have not been strongly combatted. "But Republicans obstruct" is a lousy slogan and difficult for people to comprehend, particularly when your own party has played a part in killing things that would help.
Democrats have not shown themselves inclined to support even vaguely radical solutions, the kind of things on which they might get beaten but can point to real ideas - die on the hill of a public option/single-payer, living wage fights, minimum basic incomes, fighting for unionization. Bernie's low level social democracy struck a chord and seemed wild because our 'left' party hasn't been on board with things even right-wing European parties generally accept.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
otm
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link
No one here talking about the shit that's going down in North Carolina (is it on another thread)? It looks like a pattern that we're going to be seeing more of, both at the national level and in Republican-controlled state legislatures.
I know it's obvious by now, but this is what it looks like when fascists consolidate power using legal fig leaves, in the period before they can afford to ignore the law completely.
― Dan I., Friday, 16 December 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link
Except on whether to blame Clinton. I mean so far we've seen her win a virtually unlosable senate seat, lose a presidential primary where she was originally the heavy favorite, and then lose a presidential election she absolutely should not have lost. It's hardly a slam dunk, but it makes you wonder if there's an issue with her management style or what kinds of people she chooses to run her campaigns. Some of her associates have started to seem like absolute dingbats.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 December 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link