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I think it's fair to say it wouldn't be a good strategy, if it were one (which I'm sure it isn't).

Jones keeps saying that repetition is the thing (he keeps ... repeating it) and sounds like he knows what he's talking about (though exactly what his credentials are for assessing campaign / electoral strategics, I'm not sure).

After 18 months of basically avoiding TV is he now going on every programme that will have him?

It sounds like they've basically given him license to say what he wants, which might not be a winning strategy but stoked for the madness.

this is hardcorbyn

pf a maximum wage as messaging seems designed to avoid saying - as someone else said - "tax". I like tax. let them "earn" whatever they like and take it from them in tax. as a message it seems duff and prompts e.g. the question "well how much?" and drives directly to the perverse feeling among some people who will never earn more than e.g. £25,000pa that they cannot risk jeopardising their future cash when they manage to realise an e.g. twentyfold increase in their salary and also the idea that these people "earn" money by "working" "hard". the multiplier thing is a better message one which suggests - as you said - the job creators having to drag the proles up with them. I hope there's a strategy too.

"Labour is not wedded to freedom of movement for EU citizens as a point of principle, but I don’t want that to be misinterpreted, nor do we rule it out."

- leftist firebrand Jeremy Corbyn

Conrad yes I agree I prefer the multiplier thing!

I think people have been saying for quite a long time, JC should go on TV more and get messages across directly. They also say, he is likely to come across as friendly and calmly droll (etc) on TV in a way at odds with the perceptions promoted by his enemies.

I broadly agree with this. Visibility a good thing on balance.

Not saying any of it will win GE (never have done) but I would like him to maximise whatever particular degree of success he can have.

this seems otm

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/jeremy-corbyns-immigration-policy-isnt-muddle-it-mess

Labour’s line on immigration is actually very clear. Corbyn is saying that the Labour party doesn’t particularly care about the right of EU citizens to move freely within the EU area but is prepared to accept it if that’s the cost of a good standard of access to the single market.

What the leadership is trying to do is at once appeal to people who want immigration to go down without taking the economic hit that a hard Brexit – the only way to avoid the free movement of people – would represent.

Labour’s halfway-house position on immigration in particular and Brexit in general risks leaving them as the party of nobody, the middle-of-the-road option. And we know what happens to people in the middle of the road: they get run down.

The last bit is very stupid. Halfway house in the middle of the road.

Maybe he can live on a traffic island.

there was no room on the verges

up near the Ainley Top Junction on the M62 is a house smack in between two motorway lanes, not a Halfway House but a good one if you are an Eddie Stobart truck spotter.

I don't necessarily agree that JC should be on TV more. He doesn't always come across as friendly and droll to me, it usually seems to involve people asking him sometimes non-hostile questions and him wittering and refusing (or being unable) to engage. His TV performance after the brexit vote is a good example.

He's better than May on TV but then he's been on TV more than her seemingly. I don't remember quite how much TV Cameron did before 2010 and he may even have been technically "good" (tho not as good as Clegg) but it certainly nosedived in his last four years as PM.

jc has styled out his maximum wage as a 20x cap on any company w a govt contract. not bad tbh

I like Corbyn, but he is generally not good on tv imo. the friendly and droll thing comes across when he's chatting informally with broadly sympathetic/like-minded ppl, but this is not really much help and is probably true of most ppl anyway.

not a great start to 2017 for the Corbyn project, all things considered

https://twitter.com/GreenJamieS/status/818929930243145728

hard to find takes on the momentum debacle that are not totally tendentious.

what i understand is that all people who were purged from the labour party will be expelled, as will all current members who haven't joined labour yet if they don't before a certain time. which seems to be a bit of a night of the long knives (or icepicks) for the trots.

The bureaucrats always win, they can't conceive a politics they don't own. Counterpoint: they're the only people who care enough to run the world

in our defence ya ye werent fucked yerselves to do anything right

ok correct me if I'm wrong OMOV has won? but the motions will be presented in a top down way from party brass?

It's funny Darragh cos I've never thought of you as a CONVICTION bureaucrat

They did a bad job today, but the first line of the top story on BBC News right now is something I've been waiting for for a long time:

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has said he stands by his view that immigration to the UK from the EU is not too high.

Even if that's going to be read by the legitimate concern crew as Another Barmy Corbyn Stance, I'm glad he said it.

only if the conviction leads to the death penalty obv xp

but what if arbiters of execution start piling up the corpses of class enemies next to the pedos, eh? Sorry just recounting a dream I had last night :p

from which angle tho, i mean each side prob sees tother as class enemy, and only our lot like executing people in a sustainable way (you guys have a nice line in the revolutionary splurge but again, the inability to put a good robust system in place usually leads to it fizzling out innit)

how dare you impugn Fizzles' revolutionary conviction

i knew you would tbh

i have rarely denied my own corniness is all i can say

but the first line of the top story on BBC News right now is something I've been waiting for for a long time:

But should it be top story ahead of NHS crisis and pressure on Tories? Oh shit I'm agreeing with Owen again...

Smith, Jones or David?

Paul Mason celebrates JC's stance on immigration:
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/818974009589112832

(Just heard him on the radio debating with JOHN HARRIS)

Thumbs up emoji at the end is a great punchline.

osamathumbsup.jpg

I noticed even Javid + Farron are weighing in on the Millwall gentrification scheme, but Khan seems very quiet.

I think Mason has recently written that post-Brexit UK should have restricted / managed immigration, coupled with total openness and generosity to refugees.

I imagine that JC's proposed policy may be similar to that?

good migrants and bad migrants, I like it, it's catchy

I fear JC tumbling into "British jobs for British workers" if not more careful but meanwhile the PM has just branded the British Red Cross...irresponsible

the Red Cross is an international organization like the EU, FIFA and the Catholic Church, and as such has no place in British life

Mars, Inc. That's another one.

helps u work, work and work some more

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/586e69931200002d00ad5bd2.png

I think Mason has recently written that post-Brexit UK should have restricted / managed immigration, coupled with total openness and generosity to refugees.

I imagine that JC's proposed policy may be similar to that?

― the pinefox, Wednesday, January 11, 2017 3:32 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

trying to imagine how small the infinitisemal portion of the electorate who care about restricting immigration - except for for refugees - is

also tbqfh british immigration is already very controlled if you exclude the freedom of movement that exists in the eu. e.g. i can't live in britain because I'm married to a canadian and the process of getting my wife residency would be too onerous (i have to move to britain and get a higher than average paid job before i can apply to sponsor her).

yeah i have a friend who's had to give up his business and take on a paid job just to begin the process to allow his non-British wife to live here

if you exclude the freedom of movement that exists in the eu

There's the rub.

Of course, once we start keep the Europeans out we will be able to loosen the rules for our chums on the Commonwealth and the Anglosphere - errr, except the Muslim ones... and Africans, of course... Indians are fine as long as they are not Muslims and are brain surgeons, nuclear physicists etc.

And don't mind getting the passport out for a trip to the continent.

The shadow defence secretary, Nia Griffith, was said by sources to be “absolutely furious” on Wednesday night after a spokesman for Jeremy Corbyn appeared to question the recent decision to send British troops to Estonia.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/11/labour-in-turmoil-as-corbyn-briefing-clashes-with-defence-position

("a spokesman for Jeremy Corbyn" = Seumus Milne, yes?

this seems bad? but is apparently a deliberate strategy?

Senior Labour officials are said to have become more relaxed about message discipline and now favour a “let Corbyn be Corbyn” strategy, in which the leader will be free to speak his mind – even if it results in negative publicity. After the Labour leader was criticised for not being visible over Christmas, his team have reached a stage where they believe bad publicity is better than no publicity.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-copy-donald-trump-labour-leader-new-strategy-aggressive-populist-poll-ratings-a7517351.html

the theory is supposedly that voters don't follow the policy details all that closely and the important thing is the general broad message that is being communicated, which seems correct, but surely the message that's coming across is less "Corbyn is a populist who is taking on vested interests" and more "Corbyn is incompetent, Labour are a mess who can't agree on anything and aren't fit to govern"?

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