Capital Punishment: Should the Death Penalty Still Exist In A 'Civilised Society'?

lads lads its an emotive topic and yr president pays ppl to piss on him and i know yere upset but cmon will ye not think of what yere saying

That it at times seemed more important to Mr. Roof to not be depicted as mentally ill than to avoid execution prompted some in the courtroom to question whether he simply preferred to die than to serve a long life in prison.

life in prison is cruel as well. maybe even crueler.

kevin otm

lol i just looked upthread and even the cast is the same probably no reason to put this play on again

heh i'm pretty sure i've posted that same post a few other times. it's still true!

i appreciated kev abd gbx itt iirc even tho they are wrong in it iirc

not about cruelty to me, about the probability of putting an innocent person to death (which undoubtedly has happened) plus giving the State the right to determine whether someone lives/dies.

and of course the myriad of other factors such as perpetrator's mental standing, environment, etc......

the pope is v disappointed in ye xp

that is not breaking news or hearts

moscow hotel maids are seeking the source of the leak but trump alreadys says he has been consistent about his belief in trickle down economics etc etc

ah feck wrong thread

Won't somebody think of the Rhodesians?

kevin otm

― Οὖτις

life in prison is cruel as well. maybe even crueler.

― Mordy

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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/execution-list-2016

don't worry, most people who get murdered by the state get to enjoy a nice long prison sentence beforehand

must be a mare having to take all that time to work out whether somebody is sufficiently compos mentis to thoroughly appreciate their judicial murder or not

its not worth doing really i agree

I'd butcher a million death penalty proponents rather than allow one guilty man to be executed tbh

they should just take that racist murderer and shoot him before week end.

still not clear on why we have to spend a bunch of money and time on this lethal injection nonsense. We make it easy for shitheads like dylann roof to buy guns, why can't the state just execute him with one.

Really he should be murdered by another racist for the symmetrical justice to really work, shouldn't be too difficult to arrange

i think the us criminal justice system might even employ one already tbh

we should bring back the guillotine

Have so far resisted mentioning anti-capital punishment campigner Robespierre on this thread until right now.

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2017, time for a comeback.

im usually very anti-DP but yeah i stand w sarahell here

very anti death penalty except when I feel total disgust

lol at "usually anti-DP but" you frikkin squish

like dont worry guys we still believe that you dont like racist murderers even if you dont think its acceptable for the state to execute them

lol could give a shit what u believe

I thought you weren't American unless there's at least one person you'd happily see killed

it's not like a life in prison is some great benevolent violence-free solution

of course it isn't! the prison system is rotten and awful

i just think, imo, and you dont care what i believe, that accepting the death penalty for really bad ppl you dont like is, at best, a way of working through grief and railing against the horror of what the bad person did and the societal failings it represents, and, at worst, virtue signaling and a way of letting ppl know that you're willing to take a hardline on the right sort of bad things, lest they think you weak

the death penalty is bad and unacceptable, is what i'm saying here

I don't think the state has the moral authority to execute citizens

*high-five*

the royal family would be my exception - bring ON that guillotine - because the citizens have a moral authority to execute a rotten state

(framing the death penalty as "the state executing citizens" is exactly why it's so horrifying beyond the usual argument of whether this person who committed awful acts "deserves" to live or die. whether you think they deserve to, the state being the arbiter of it is unconscionable)

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that's a good argument. sorry for saying i don't care.

but you can read virtue signaling the other way around as well. having an inflexible stance on state violence lest they think you "a frikkin squish".

no doubt there are a lot of emotions tied up in reactions to this kind of thing. that's fine, it's natural. imo the state plays a part in this too, and this public act is highly symbolic, however much we'd like to pretend it's an impartial and emotionless actor.

given the nature of the royal family they should have to suffer a symbolic execution imo, guillotine the figurehead, make the queen read a speech saying how sorry she is and how glad she is the people have executed her

upper classes more generally to be stripped of possessions and made to live in caves doing crafts

exile them to Siberia Grimsby imo

It's A Royal Knockout. To the death.

Barbarism (xp)

ignoring the economic argument lads

I don't think the fact that sentencing people to death is more expensive than sentencing them to life in prison is relevant, unless you're so deep in the bureaucratic burrow that administrative efficiency has replaced morality entirely (see also: arguments about incentive)

youre presupposing the relative expenses there tbh

as are you; seems no point in playing research tennis when even if you're right its irrelevant

true!

its only an interesting debate in theoretical terms.

gbx otm