Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

Gove has long been an enthusiast for the idea that the west is involved in some kind of existential struggle with Islamic extremism, so he has common ground with Trump on that score. (Ken Clarke was correct when he said that Gove would probably start wars with three countries simultaneously if he ever became PM). I think he likes Trump for the same reasons someone like Steve Hilton does, this reckless, think-the-unthinkable desire to dramatically reshape the world and damn the consequences.

Gove also wrote this article arguing that Trump is the modern-day Andrew Jackson, this seems to be a good thing in his view: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-hothead-old-hickory-harnessed-his-nations-anger-to-become-president-sktsd2036

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I wish I had pf's naïveté. I really do.

This is the way the world ends

I'm consoling myself with the belief that the backlash against all this shit, when it occurs, is likely to be huge, decisive and hopefully lasting. The other half of me thinks this is just the way things are going to be from now on.

Don't worry Matt, I'm sure when the backlash against Trumpism kicks in people will still find a way to blame the whole thing on the pc brigade and globalist leftist hedge funds

I still tend to think there is a difference between the appalling Cons and even UKIP people of the UK, and the maniac in Trump Tower.
this is completely and utterly wrong. tory gov in the uk prioritizes controlling eu immigration and opting out of the echr over membership in the single market and economic prosperity. this is extremist nationalism, and it's going to win elections in the uk.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/uk-regions/scotland/news/82428/kezia-dugdale-defies-jeremy-corbyn-call-immigration-be

Ms Dugdale said her party was exploring the system which operates in Canada, where Quebec has a certain level of autonomy when it comes to controlling its borders.

She said that showed it could be possible for different parts of the UK to decide immigration policies "that meets their particular needs".

how exactly does this work in Quebec? Is the idea that immigrants who come to live in the rest of the UK would be able to travel between England/Wales/NI and Scotland but wouldn't be able to work or claim benefits there?

Kezia Dugdale, or as she know to people in Scotland, Kezia Who?

The Labour What?

as far as i know the autonomy that quebec has is basically that it has its own certificate that you must receive before applying to immigrate there. it's points based and speaking french is a plus. essentially it has a slightly more restrictive immigration policy than canada writ large.

it's also somewhat toothless in that you can immigrate to another part of canada and just move to quebec afterwards.

not sure how as an example it would be relevant to scotland where we would be better off with a less restrictive immigration system than the uk one

not sure how as an example it would be relevant to scotland where we would be better off with a less restrictive immigration system than the uk one

^^^^

altho i think kez is suggesting it could be used that way, though again id imagine the uk gov would have something to say about it - again what would stop the immigrant to scotland moving down south

also her new act of union patter seems like the stupidest least politically astute policy. nats are not going to be satisfied with further devolution within union, yoons don't want further devolution. who is the policy supposed to appeal to?

Rangers fans People who have switched from Labour to Tory

ha, devising policies that are unappealing to ppl on both sides of various divides seems to be the modern day Labour party's specialty, both in Scotland and the rest of the UK

Elections to be held in Northern Ireland on 2 March

love me a sectarian headcount

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-s-and-putin-s-plan-to-dissolve-the-eu-and-nato

Most people in this country, certainly most members of the political class and especially its expression in Washington, don't realize what Donald Trump is trying to do in Europe and Russia. Back in December I explained that Trump has a plan to break up the European Union. Trump and his key advisor Steve Bannon (former Breitbart chief) believe they can promise an advantageous trade agreement with the United Kingdom, thus strengthening the UK's position in its negotiations over exiting the EU. With such a deal in place with the UK, they believe they can slice apart the EU by offering the same model deal to individual EU states. Steve Bannon discussed all of this at length with Business Week's Josh Green and Josh and I discussed it in great detail in this episode of my podcast from mid-December.

ah an advantageous trade agreement with the states - which currently accounts for 15% of uk trade - will really strengthen britain's position in negotiations with the eu. my sides are splitting. josh marshall is a fucking clown

I think the appropriate fucking clowns in this instance are bannon and trump

jim, the last paragraph of that article says

My own view is that Trump and Bannon greatly overestimate America's relative economic power in the world. Their view appears to be that no European country will feel it is able to be locked out of trade with a US-UK trade pact. An America eager to break up the EU seems more likely to inject new life into the union. However that may be, Trump and Bannon clearly want to create a nativist world order based on the US, Russia and states that want to align with them. The EU and NATO are only obstacles to that goal.

this is extremist nationalism, and it's going to win elections in the uk.

a million times this.

jim, the last paragraph of that article says

My own view is that Trump and Bannon greatly overestimate America's relative economic power in the world. Their view appears to be that no European country will feel it is able to be locked out of trade with a US-UK trade pact. An America eager to break up the EU seems more likely to inject new life into the union. However that may be, Trump and Bannon clearly want to create a nativist world order based on the US, Russia and states that want to align with them. The EU and NATO are only obstacles to that goal.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, January 16, 2017 12:42 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok lol i didn't read the article

I am likely just listening to too many paranoids, but can someone who is more familiar with our convoluted mediaeval government process, please explain me what this is?

A private members' bill has been moved up for a second reading on the exact Friday that the judgement is due on Gina Miller's Brexit case. BBC says not to worry too much about it; Bremain twitter is already coming up with bizarre theories that it's being some kind of ruse to push it through without objection under the radar on a busy news day, then later spring out and go "look, A50 was approved by parliament, off we go".

Is that possible? (I'm not even asking if it's likely, because nothing seems unlikely any more with this lot.)

The bill:
https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-17/withdrawalfromtheeuropeanunionarticle50.html

The BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-parliaments-38173167

I can't tell if this is legit or another tin-hat with that blog name, but:
https://thegreatbritishmoronathon.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/article-50-private-members-bill-tabled/

Is this something we should be worried about?

I think the short answer is no. All it would take would be for one Lib Dem or SNP or pro-Remain Labour MP to say "object". This is the kind of stunt you'd expect from Peter Bone and it would only really work (as it did with the expenses thing a few years ago) if everyone was in on it.

Thanks, SV.

(I'm mostly just worried because there's going to be such an eruption about the court case that it's a classic "day to bury bad news / do something nefarious because the person due to shout 'object' failed to turn up" situation.)

Um that BBC article is from Dec 1st 2016 and refers to the bill being on the agenda for Dec 16th 2016?

May has made it official - the UK will not seek membership of the Single Market.

what recourse do we have to 'these maniacs have to be stopped'

MPs and peers to get a vote on the final Brexit deal, May says

aha

that isn't so reassuring mind

that was an unintentional xp answer :) (doubt it will change things tbh) xp

Brighter Future, Global Britain, Brighter Future, Global Britain, Brighter Future, Global Britain, Brighter Future, Global Britain, Brighter Future, Global Britain, Brighter Future, Global Britain, Brighter Future, Global Britain, Brighter Future, Global Britain, Brighter Future, Global Britain.

@PeteWishart She now seems to be issuing threats to the EU - 'Don't do what's in your interest our I'll ruin the UK even further'.

Global Britain wtf?

How does Labour respond now, given that Corbyn has a) emphasised the importance of remaining within the single market and b) said that Labour won't vote against Brexit?

Parliament must reject the deal by 51.8% no less

It's "They need us more than we need them" more or less ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

MPs and peers to get a vote on the final Brexit deal, May says

She already announced this during the Supreme Court hearing, didn't she? And what will happen if MPs/Lords don't like the deal? Won't it be slightly too late by then?

if it helps guys I like to think of how much the ghosts of the hundreds of millions of victims of the British Empire will be enjoying this

@DPJHodges
One other narrative May's killing off. The idea she's out off her depth. This is a heavyweight speech from a serious politician.

Imagine being this credulous.

Is he still alive?

if it helps guys I like to think of how much the ghosts of the hundreds of millions of victims of the British Empire will be enjoying this

I am going to defer judgement until i'm absolutely sure she's not going to recolonise Trinidad as part of the Global Britain initiative.

Hodges is like one of those England pundits who continually big up the opposition in the hope of downplaying the shitness of their own team

The GBP is rising against the USD just based on the clarity of the decision (rather than the wisdom).

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lol

dahahan hahahahannan

Unhappily EFTA after.

good luck "britain"