Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

Global Britain wtf?

How does Labour respond now, given that Corbyn has a) emphasised the importance of remaining within the single market and b) said that Labour won't vote against Brexit?

Parliament must reject the deal by 51.8% no less

It's "They need us more than we need them" more or less ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

MPs and peers to get a vote on the final Brexit deal, May says

She already announced this during the Supreme Court hearing, didn't she? And what will happen if MPs/Lords don't like the deal? Won't it be slightly too late by then?

if it helps guys I like to think of how much the ghosts of the hundreds of millions of victims of the British Empire will be enjoying this

@DPJHodges
One other narrative May's killing off. The idea she's out off her depth. This is a heavyweight speech from a serious politician.

Imagine being this credulous.

Is he still alive?

if it helps guys I like to think of how much the ghosts of the hundreds of millions of victims of the British Empire will be enjoying this

I am going to defer judgement until i'm absolutely sure she's not going to recolonise Trinidad as part of the Global Britain initiative.

Hodges is like one of those England pundits who continually big up the opposition in the hope of downplaying the shitness of their own team

The GBP is rising against the USD just based on the clarity of the decision (rather than the wisdom).

https://s28.postimg.org/ey9l5olod/C2_X3b_Bh_WQAAlcf_I.jpg

lol

dahahan hahahahannan

Unhappily EFTA after.

good luck "britain"

finally, at last, britain will take its place on the world stage

> The GBP is rising against the USD just based on the clarity of the decision (rather than the wisdom).

up 2 pence since 9am to 1.23. don't spend it all at once.

Farmers have “legitimate and important concerns” about Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/17/business-theresa-may-brexit-speech-uk-eu

Annoyed at the statement "some said leaving the SM was inevitable once May started talking about freedom of movement etc" (or something like that) on the BBC. No, some said it was inevitable before that! It was obviously going to be a consequence of the vote. Meh, maybe they can use it as an excuse for another vote - I doubt it. No doubt, though, there were plenty of people who voted leave but failed to understand it would mean leaving the single market. Which is someone's fault - I'm sure the media will tell us who.

She obviously thinks this isn't in Britain's interests but is too cowardly and/or too electorally weak to go against it. This is a complete disaster and a total failure of leadership.

I genuinely think she believes immigration is the no.1 priority and any other political, social or economic considerations should take a back seat. This isn't a failure of leadership, it's the leadership of someone who has deliberately taken a catastrophic course of action.

Her dodging the questions about the impact on Britain is the sort of thing a decent opposition should be driving massive wedges through.

Starting to agree with the Twitter wisdom that this is ultimately a narrow self-interested political calculation for her: If she doesn't go all-in for Brexit and cut as many ties as possible, the remaining immigration will be blamed on her, and immigration is the evil That Must Be Stopped.

If she does go all-in, what has she got to lose? The diffuse economic effects will not be blamed on her, or the glorious Brexit idea, but instead on a heady brew of Remainers, the Media, Enemies of the People, et al.

That calculation ignores the livid 48+%, and any collapse of the UK, though.

No doubt, though, there were plenty of people who voted leave but failed to understand it would mean leaving the single market.

i'd be interested to know how many people voted leave but failed to understand it would mean leaving the single market vs those legitimate concerners who voted leave and didn't then (and still don't now) understand what the single market is and how it relates to the uk

It's probably true that the public cares about it greatly: but that's what leaders are for (I know that sounds horrible un-socialist, but it is what it is).

Farmers have “legitimate and important concerns” about Brexit.

tbf those concerns are more likely to be anti-Brexit than pro. Unfortunate choice of words perhaps? Not the same "legitimate concerns".

The owners of farms will be anti-brexit - the workers who see none of the benefit (at least explicitly) won't be.

Confusing.

It's time to do to legitimate concerns what Trump does with "Fake News"; if everyone has legitimate concerns, no-one does

We're going to end up with a tariff-based economic system with key strategic companies/industries propped up with sweeteners and central government subsidies. Is this really what the Conservatives wanted to end up with 35 or so years after Thatcher?

Also had Corbyn, who has presumably had weeks to prepare for today, said anything in response yet?

xp

not the Thatcherites/Libertarians/Friedmanites, but they're not running the show any more, and the racist Little Englander wing that never went away is in charge as long as Theresa May thinks she needs them

"Theresa May has made clear that she is determined to use Brexit to turn Britain into a bargain basement tax haven on the shores of Europe. She makes out this is a negotiating threat to the 27 EU countries but it's actually a threat to the British people's jobs, services and living standards.

“We welcome that the Prime Minister has listened to the case we've been making about the need for full tariff free access to the single market but are deeply concerned about her reckless approach to achieving it.

“This speech should have been given in Parliament where MPs could ask her questions on behalf of their constituents. She talks about Brexit restoring parliamentary sovereignty but, once again, she is determined to avoid real scrutiny of her plans."

(xp to matt)

lol matt dc angling for a gig at the new wasteman or something

Wait what?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-uk-will-leave-eu-regardless-of-parliament-vote-theresa-may-a7531656.html

This can't be true, right? That's effectively forcing Parliament to wave the deal through no matter how bad it is.

I mean I'm guessing that's a heavy spin put on that "source" quote, but who even knows any more.

tbf those concerns are more likely to be anti-Brexit than pro. Unfortunate choice of words perhaps? Not the same "legitimate concerns".

Yeah, that was why I quoted them: thought it was funny to see the cliche turned against Brexit.

That's effectively forcing Parliament to wave the deal through no matter how bad it is.

I think this was always the case, in truth. I can't see how anyone (the government or the EU) could be forced back to the negotiating table by Parliament. The choice would potentially be to back the deal on the table or reject it, with rejection meaning leaving with no deal rather than staying.

of course, the only vote that matters is if there's a vote on triggering A50. once triggered I would assume there are no backsies.

Or rejection meaning another vote. So much hangs or revocability of a50 xp

So what Labour does or says basically doesn't matter for anything other than their electoral positioning in 2020? ie there's no way they could make single market membership a red line in terms of their support, even if they were minded to? Unless there's a vote on Article 50, and I've completely lost track of what's happening there.

We're waiting on Supreme Court there still.

Tim Farron is getting roasted on Twitter by leavers. Who couldn't give a shit about Corbyn. Is this going to give them legitimacy as opposition? I'm started to wonder what form the mechanism to sunset Labour will take.

So what Labour does or says basically doesn't matter for anything other than their electoral positioning in 2020? ie there's no way they could make single market membership a red line in terms of their support, even if they were minded to? Unless there's a vote on Article 50, and I've completely lost track of what's happening there.

good contribution from me there i know, cheers

@paulmasonnews

(10/10) Brits: get ready to Rise Like Lions - if May loses on the final Brexit terms in the Commons she must go. End of.

#theresistance

"I am equally clear that no deal for Britain is better than a bad deal for Britain."

...

Tbh I don't think at this point in time it would be very sane for any political party to nail itself to the cross of resisting Brexit. Let the story play itself thru, draw attention to the Tories' failings in UK terms, come back much later when (if) the tide of opinion swells back in a more decisive direction

Don't expect people not to laugh if you ask them to Rise Like Lions for a set of trade agreements

Don't think the LDs have much to lose though, do they?

Well yeah, that's a perennial given