Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

Hodges a desperate sad little batshit orc as always.

Some more soft left cunt behaviour: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/19/lives-torn-apart-assets-labour-privatisation-north-london-haringey?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The button is going to be pushed - and Europe is falling apart in any case - and now the fight is in the how it happens.

"I'm sure he'd settle for redistributing cash from areas with Labour councils."

My local council is a just about a Labour controlled one (just 1 seat short of a majority) and is facing an £80 million deficit in it's funding over the next 3 years, as the 8th lowest funded and 2nd most skint in terms of reserve funds - even after factoring in LA incompetence + waste we still have obv really got an extra shittier austerity deal than many others. Without checking I'd safely say there will be no Oxfordshire/Surrey boroughs below us on the underfunded list.

The aim of Brexit talks will be to show that the consequences will be severe for any country looking to drop out of the club, they aren't going to concede shit to May, let alone Liam Fox or Boris Johnson.

it's going to have to be michael gove

Ha!

Lives torn apart and assets lost: this is what a Labour privatisation would mean

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/19/lives-torn-apart-assets-labour-privatisation-north-london-haringey

aditya good and angry again on "zombie blairism" in local gov (shame the guardian made him look like he thinks edmonton where he grew up is a borough)

I'm all for London being fenced off from the rest of the country tbh

http://i.imgur.com/HeIXW3p.jpg

Farage's face always looks so odd when he's trying to do "sombre"

http://i.imgur.com/XeJi5aH.png?1

reminds me of those photos of football mascots observing the minute's silence

looks like kermit the frog doing sad/confounded

Osborne to join investment giant BlackRock as adviser

these cunts

for some people politics is a call to serve, for others not so fucking much

the man's just setting an example to the feckless unemployed, give him a break

Blackrock is the second largest shareholder in my company so I feel a bit better to have fucked them over with our disastrous price collapse this week.

Good to know he won't be allowed to lobby the government - not that anyone in the cabinet is likely to be returning his calls anyway at the moment.

rare to see a sneering public-school cunt offered employment at an investment bank

I hope he still has time for his chair on the Northern Powerhouse Partnership - I don't know what we'd do without all the great work he does in this capacity.

meanwhile paisley jr lauds mcguinness as he stands down after a distinguished political career in which he established power sharing in the north

His old da and McGuinness got on like a tricolor on fire after all.

McGuinness looked at death's door when i saw him on the news last week

I was briefly thinking he was brown bread the other day when I switched on R4 half way through a report on him and it sounded like it was referring to him as an ex-person rather than an ex-minister.

he looks horrendous. amyloidosis, which he has, sounds fairly scary

http://petshopboys.co.uk/media/article-images/600/6a1044b394d344cbae4b0c7712924b95.jpg

the first european "politician" trump has talked to was farage. you can imagine what kind of idea of europe he gave to trump. farage for me was always an irresponsible git who just wanted to show that he isn't the loser he actually is. does this make any sense? as soon as his "project" materialised he fucked off. his false smile says it all. what i don't understand is that a majority in the uk follows this pied piper. together with the us election it reminds me very much of the 30th january 1933, the "machtergreifung" of hitler. maybe each people has to make the same mistake once. just let's hope that it won't have the same consequences as in 1933. i think it is about time to prey. and i do not not believe in god.

sp: pray

37% of eligible voters voted to leave the eu.

what i don't understand is that a majority in the uk follows this pied piper

stood for parliament 7 times and failed each time

but in the end this bastard succeeded.

37% of eligible voters voted to leave the eu.

way more than the 26% trump got tbf, donald has much to learn

Farage was important in the moment but pushing at an open door. The vision May is setting out has always been the preferred one of the majority of people in the Conservative party outside of Parliament and the majority of people who own and operate the newspapers. Tories have been struggling to put a lid on this since Thatcher was turfed out. The number of people convinced by UKIP to vote leave could conceivably have swung it but I think they were probably a small proportion of the overall leave vote vs the number who were either convinced years ago and just looking for an opportunity or brought over the line by the press coverage.

Trump's next door neighbour is an Italian fascist with links to far right parties all over Europe. That may explain why Le Pen was in Trump Tower but there was no meeting announced. Might also partly explain why Farage has been hanging around there so much.

Who is the neighbour?

A guy called Guido Lombardi.

http://www.politico.eu/article/trumps-ambassador-europe-far-right-news-lombardi/

but in the end this bastard succeeded.

How about sharing out the credit, alex? For instance, there's Gisela Stuart, Labour MP and the only UK MP originally from, er, Germany.

Corbyn did his bit too

I don't think Corbyn made much difference either way really.

Alex - I just don't think you understand the landscape over here particularly well. The British public wasn't exactly clamouring for a referendum when Cameron called it, things could have carried on as they were for years without the demands getting audibly louder. Even now the country remains deeply divided on the issue and is likely to become more so.

Where the clamour really did exist was in the Conservative Party itself. As Sharivari says this has been a Tory faultline since 1990 at least. It crippled some leaders (Major) and kept other would-be leaders out at a time when they were miles behind Labour (Kenneth Clarke). Before he won an unexpected majority last year, Cameron was convinced, probably with good reason, that his party was about to commit regicide over the issue, which is why he pledged the referendum despite believing defeat would be disastrous for the country. He effectively traded the UK's future for another 12 months in office.

The majority of the country does not "follow" Farage. Not even close. As Lex says he's failed on multiple attempts to get into Parliament. UKIP has one MP, a defector for the Tories. It has never elected an entirely new MP to Parliament.

However, it's been extremely useful as a pressure group for the segments of the press that have been anti-EU for decades. Murdoch, Dacre etc purposefully built up Farage not because they wanted him in power, but because they knew it would drag the Tories to the right on the issue. In that, they succeeded. Once Article 50 has been triggered they may well fade away altogether, except as an explicit anti-immigration party. Those have historically not fared very well in the UK, certainly not when you compare them to several European countries, but we're in exceptional times here.

The person who doesn't get enough blame for Brexit is Osbourne. In trying to "shoot Labour's fox" and close off avenues of attack from Miliband and Balls, he hammered home the fiction that the country doesn't have any money. He ran down public services and eviscerated the welfare system. And he, with Cameron, allowed the fiction to develop that EU migrants were getting everything from the state while hard-up Britons were having everything taken from them - because he knew the Labour were vulnerable on the issue. Eventually his twatty political game-playing destroyed his political career, but neither he nor Cameron will suffer in the slightest for it.

I just don't think you understand the landscape over here particularly well.

The button is going to be pushed - and Europe is falling apart in any case - and now the fight is in the how it happens.

Yes to the first and the last but i doubt europe is going to fall apart. Europe has to change and will. And after that it will probably be a bit smaller but it will be stronger. Going back to nationalism and isolationism and protectionism is definitely not the right answer to tackle the global challenges. That is the way into disaster and i mean world-wide disaster. Who cares about the uk shutting itself off from the world but if all countries are going into this direction we are all in big trouble. The next world war could be the last.

― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, January 19, 2017 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/21/marine-le-pen-leads-gathering-of-eu-far-right-leaders-in-koblenz

In Holland, France and Germany - and Italy with the populist five star - you are seeing revolts against austerity. Things are fragile that only one or two of those results going against the current order could deal another blow to them, put more pressure on the Euro and lead to another banking/lending crisis.

Since Brexit there has been no desire to change - or to offer an alternative, more positive, vision of how things could be.

And then there is the ongoing migrant crisis (cause by war or environmental decay (and the reports on the Earth's temperature mean something major could happen in our generation)). All that is going to put pressure in everything, including the European project. Not seeing anything to counter that, only heads-in-the-sand stuff.

Both Copeland and Stoke by elections take place on the 23rd: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-copeland-byelection-gillian-troughton

of Feb

"But somehow I still fail to get why such a small majority is enough for a hard Brexit."

It isn't, morally or rationally. It's just what some people are able to achieve politically. The government does not feel under much threat of being voted out and it doesn't fear any pro-EU electoral force.

"But the result is in the responsability of the English people, you cannot blame Cameron for it."

I do - like Matt DC I think - blame Cameron primarily, for calling it.
There was, as DC says, no great clamour for a referendum. It was all a fiction.
DC is quite right about the wickedness of Cameron's calculation - 12 months of his own career for trashing the UK's future.
And he is right about how Cameron and Osborne both escape to a life of ease, having ruined everything for the country.
It is a scandal.

In terms of the population's responsibility for the result, the people who voted Leave are responsible. The people who voted Remain are not.

But the result is in the responsability of the English people

Well, this is true. And the Welsh.

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/lloyds-london-leaving-london/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akrbBpzVAQs

"I find that when I shoot a few Borises and Michaels I feel a whole lot better."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-shooting-birds-boris-johnson-michael-gove-brexit-eu-referendum-davos-a7540311.html

ahahahahaha what larks eh

i find that when i take a shit in the toilet I've named 'david cameron' the existential dread i've been living in since the result of the eu referendum briefly recedes

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/23/theresa-may-donald-trump-us-uk-immigration

But now it is emerging that May’s policy to keep Britain open to the “brightest and best” will be shaped by any early post-Brexit trade deals that the UK is able to negotiate. And it is quickly becoming apparent that those deals are more likely to be done with countries such as America, Australia, Canada or New Zealand, rather than India or China.

However, the danger is that immigration policy for businesspeople and the most highly skilled becomes based on the old “kith and kin” white Commonwealth of Australia, Canada and New Zealand by default, if not by design.

"If not by design".

My great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother was Scottish so p sure I'm good