Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

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that post gave me a triggering image of the former Shadow Chancellor and amateur ballroom dancer, thnx

and at this point I'm frightened enough to welcome anybody's efforts to calm down that psychopath, even May's

May says she and Trump want to put the interests of ordinary people first, the people who feel the odds are stacked against them. She and Trump both feel that these people deserve a fairer deal.

i thought i hated david cameron.

left coalition party now

a promising statement emanates from labour

https://www.facebook.com/labourclivelewis/posts/1256644634412341

The more closely May is associated with Trump the better.

Clive Lewis would make quite a good drag queen.

he's got the eyelashes

It would be great if went for a photo op with those fossilised dragoon in full drag!

Solid work under the circumstances from Clive Lewis, but I'm pissing myself laughing that according to the comments, the first version of the paragraph

IF THE GOVT DOES NOT ACCEPT THESE AMENDMENTS, I WILL VOTE AGAINST TRIGGERING ARTICLE 50 AT THE THIRD AND FINAL VOTE.

had a 'NOT' before the first 'VOTE'.

Interesting report from the Stoke selection meeting, if you like that kind of thing
http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/inside-stoke-centrals-selection-meeting.html

comforting if true

May has been busy:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/defence/defence-funding/news/82814/theresa-may-defies-human-rights-campaigners-sign-arms

yeah in the wake of the trump news i just noticed that headline sitting below it all like "hey i'm also horrifying news"

British Values - always be closing

Wasn't Turkey the example brexiteers always used when trying to scare people about immigration from potential EU countries?

yes

the "Turkish problem" has been sorted now, any Turks who wanted to come here have been purged or killed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38788388

"populist gestures" different from "the will of the people" apparently

chuka umunna:

"But they need to understand, just as they will put America first, we will put British values first."

ffs

nice that the government are rejecting the petition out of hand without the debate it guarantees, too

Obviously these concerns are not bigoted legitimate enough.

We should wait until we see how many signatures the "let him in" petition gets

The more votes this gets, the worse they will look - also for those like me, resident but with no referendum or election vote, it's important to sign.

I would love to see every Remain voter, EU and non-EU resident (all of whom pay taxes) sign this.

chuka umunna:

"But they need to understand, just as they will put America first, we will put British values first."

ffs

In terms of how Britain should respond to "America First", this speech Tom Watson made on Saturday seems to have been overshadowed somewhat, which is a shame considering how bad it is

In a controversial speech, Mr Watson said the UK could experience a “Brexit bounce” when it leaves the EU and questioned the prevailing belief that free trade was always a good thing.

As politicians and the media rush to condemn Mr Trump, Mr Watson suggested people should “keep an open mind” about the new President’s policies.

Speaking at the Co-operative Party Economic Conference in London, Mr Watson said: “If Trump says ‘buy American’, our rational response is ‘buy British’.

“Yet to say ‘buy British’ these days risks sneering derision from much of Britain’s commentariat and chattering classes, few of whom have been on a factory floor lately. When did you last hear Theresa May say it?”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tom-watson-buy-british-brexit-donald-trump-labour-a7550661.html

Not many factories ergo not many factory floors, Tommy boy.

the message is clear: uk citizens have a duty to support plucky british startups like bae systems by buying our own jet airliners and missile arrays

as a true blue Brummie Tom was clearly thinking about British-owned mega-giants like Jaguar and Cadbury's

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonwalker121/status/824921025066500096

so trump's likely ambassador to the eu thinks the european union is equivalent to the soviet union? that's, um, troubling

I suppose he means the european union will perish like the soviet union did. Which sadly is quite possible.

That's not what he means.

He would like to help the european union to go down the water toilet of history. That's what he says.

Tom Watson is the slimiest cunt.

What he says is "well I had, in a previous career, a diplomatic post where I helped to bring down the Soviet Union so maybe there's another union that needs a little taming"

What does Chuka Umunna, a child of (at least one) immigrant representing a solidly Remain constituency, expect to gain from this shit? Does he really expect a load of racists to rally to his cause in two years time?

...yes?

http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/images/2017/01/blogs/bagehots-notebook/20170204_woc719.png

Is that surprising? The big cities have the most people and were the strongest remain, so even if everyone had signed evenly across the country the graph would look like that, no?

I did like that heat map that showed signatures from across the entire country, though.

Parliamentary constituencies are roughly level though (hence why some of them are enormous) - I'd rather see it by % on both axes, agreed.

this map shows you the % of the population of each parliamentary constituency who have signed the petition, there does seem to be a definite correlation between remain voting areas even factoring in differences in population

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

Pretty sure plenty of people who voted Brexit find Trump repulsive too.

xp e.g. 8.85% in Corbyn's Islington North vs 1.01 % in Hartlepool

tbf there's prob something to Stephen Bush's tweets y/day (https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/826167402056601601) which said m/l that Remain-leaning areas are just more likely to sign gov.uk petitions in general

(I can't define exactly why, but it seems plausible: lol chattering classes media types; Leave voters skew older and perhaps less web-savvy, tho obv plenty of Leave voters on twitter and news site comments sections; less disengaged from govt processes, even slightly modernised ones like web petitions; less wary of putting their name on a govt list?)

but, still not looking good for my hope that Trump will tap into Leave voters' anti-Americanism and they'll think "we've got to be with the US or with Europe, maybe Europe is a better idea after all"

admittedly there were already plenty of signs that was never going to happen; people either delighted by any amount of right-wing nuttery or still convinced that we're still a globe-spanning empire that needs no alliances

"How long before the Yanks want back in?"

Leave voters skew older

Still grateful for GIs bringing over chocolate, chewing gum and nylons during the War.

The 'revenge' petition demanding that Trump be allowed to molest the Queen or whatever is approaching 100K signatures. Ooh that'll show us.

if that was certainly going to be the outcome I'd be tempted to sign it myself (◣∀◢)ψ

Pretty sure plenty of people who voted Brexit find Trump repulsive too.

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:59 AM (forty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there do seem to be a lot of ppl who backed Brexit and who have dubious views on immigration + multiculturalism etc who also are appalled at Trump, and will specifically mention his racism as a reason for their disapproval. idk if this is a variation on the "I can't be racist because racist means violent skinheads with swastika tats and no-one else" way of thinking, that a grotesque ranting American leader fits their idea of what a "proper" racist looks and sound like

Trump's concerns are not legitimate you see