Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

...yes?

http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/images/2017/01/blogs/bagehots-notebook/20170204_woc719.png

Is that surprising? The big cities have the most people and were the strongest remain, so even if everyone had signed evenly across the country the graph would look like that, no?

I did like that heat map that showed signatures from across the entire country, though.

Parliamentary constituencies are roughly level though (hence why some of them are enormous) - I'd rather see it by % on both axes, agreed.

this map shows you the % of the population of each parliamentary constituency who have signed the petition, there does seem to be a definite correlation between remain voting areas even factoring in differences in population

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

Pretty sure plenty of people who voted Brexit find Trump repulsive too.

xp e.g. 8.85% in Corbyn's Islington North vs 1.01 % in Hartlepool

tbf there's prob something to Stephen Bush's tweets y/day (https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/826167402056601601) which said m/l that Remain-leaning areas are just more likely to sign gov.uk petitions in general

(I can't define exactly why, but it seems plausible: lol chattering classes media types; Leave voters skew older and perhaps less web-savvy, tho obv plenty of Leave voters on twitter and news site comments sections; less disengaged from govt processes, even slightly modernised ones like web petitions; less wary of putting their name on a govt list?)

but, still not looking good for my hope that Trump will tap into Leave voters' anti-Americanism and they'll think "we've got to be with the US or with Europe, maybe Europe is a better idea after all"

admittedly there were already plenty of signs that was never going to happen; people either delighted by any amount of right-wing nuttery or still convinced that we're still a globe-spanning empire that needs no alliances

"How long before the Yanks want back in?"

Leave voters skew older

Still grateful for GIs bringing over chocolate, chewing gum and nylons during the War.

The 'revenge' petition demanding that Trump be allowed to molest the Queen or whatever is approaching 100K signatures. Ooh that'll show us.

if that was certainly going to be the outcome I'd be tempted to sign it myself (◣∀◢)ψ

Pretty sure plenty of people who voted Brexit find Trump repulsive too.

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:59 AM (forty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there do seem to be a lot of ppl who backed Brexit and who have dubious views on immigration + multiculturalism etc who also are appalled at Trump, and will specifically mention his racism as a reason for their disapproval. idk if this is a variation on the "I can't be racist because racist means violent skinheads with swastika tats and no-one else" way of thinking, that a grotesque ranting American leader fits their idea of what a "proper" racist looks and sound like

Trump's concerns are not legitimate you see

Parliamentary constituencies are roughly level though (hence why some of them are enormous) - I'd rather see it by % on both axes, agreed.

― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, January 31, 2017 5:58 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. they are ~60-80k give or take. but yeah, it should be %.

most a lot of the Brexiteers I know are pretty pro-Trump pro-gentle racism tbh

Here's the other petition, suitably illiterate...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

This morning I talked to a Brexit voter who'd signed and forwarded the petition to her entire family of Brexit voters, and only one refused to sign because 'the election was over'. I'd be pushing back on the idea that 'remain areas' are solely occupied by Remain voters.

Russia Today talking this petition up. Who'd've thought it?

I'm sure their 1000 viewers will appreciate that.

Always a good time trawling thru what petitions people start.

Close all retail on boxing day, retail isn't needed on boxing day! - 145,384 signatures
Give status to Police Dogs and Horses as 'Police Officers'- 125,530 signatures

Those are good.

I don't know it's hard enough getting human polices to observe people's human rights without trying to break that concept down for an Alsatian

Labour shadow Brexit minister (?) M. Pennycook says:

He will vote for Brexit because not doing so would be 'a gift to the Far Right'.

I see this point, and add that Brexit, which he will vote for, is also a gift to the Far Right.

He also says that if anyone votes against Brexit, there will be riots in the streets and a breakdown of social order.

It is a bit as though he is trying to give people ideas.

I think these predictions could be accurate, up to a point, but only because Farage ('the gentle people will revolt') et al have created the massive pro-Brexit attitude and the idea that this is the most important thing in the world.

c. 3 years ago, the idea of rioting about the EU, pro or anti, would not have occurred or made sense to anyone. The all-consuming anger is synthetic, something that has been pulled together and constructed relatively recently (though the anti-EU poison in general is much older).

There is something strange about a politician openly saying 'I'm not going to do this thing, because if I do, people will protest about it'.

Not an ideal lay-out for it but I put the resources list for refugees and migrants that daniel trilling crowd-sourced and storified into a slightly more readable format, to be used and shared (I'll transfer it onto its own page when I have a moment)

http://dubdobdee.co.uk/2017/01/31/resource-list-for-refugees-migrants-asylum-seekers-and-more/

Emma Hutchinson @ITVEmmaH

Clive Lewis tells me if Gvt doesn't accept Lab amndmnts to Brexit Bill then he can't support next week & will leave Shadow Cab @itvanglia

if I understand correctly the chances of the Labour amendments being accepted are slim to nil, yes? so I guess Lewis is resigning.

resign as MP and run as a Green candidate imo

The chances of Corbyn being able to fill even a skeleton Shadow Cabinet look pretty slim right now.

LOL the Green Party - probably suits that fool.

I'd want Labour to vote against an un-amended bill - which may carry weight once Brexit reality hits, but the Tory 'rebels' are accepting this (w/a White Paper another LOL) which means the numbers aren't there. Of course that won't appease the usual crowd who will run to the Lib Dems/Greens at the first opportunity.

LOL at this court case so we could have an anaemic debate on a garbage bill. Lenin was right.

Apparently Cameron actively tried to get Dacre sacked - knew he was naive but wow

You have to hand it to them - the Conservatives have been determined that this entire process be doomed to its worst possible incarnation and they have played an absolute blinder

I think Clive Lewis is one of the best MPs.

Though I appreciated a comment I saw online this week: CL had said that we neglected Leave voters while Cool Britannia was going on. The commenter said 'he seems to have more against people who might once have bought a Supergrass CD than against crypto-fascists'.

its a thin line tbh

damnit beaten to the punch

Elitist cunts

https://yougov.co.uk/profileslite#/Supergrass/demographics

top regions northern scotland? is there a hithertofore-hidden hardcore of teuchter supergrass fans?

NICHE INTERESTS
- SPORTS
- SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY
- CULTURE & THE ARTS
- 2003 IRAQ WAR
- STEPEHN KING

also inriguing that Supergrass fans are 15% more likely than the average person to say that ham sandwiches are one of their favourite foods

Disappointed to see this Gazlighting from our elected representatives.

This is remarkable.

wonder if CL was at this Norwich gig? Maybe it was what cemented his future sympathy with forgotten Leave voters.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/content/articles/2005/06/01/music_review_supergrass_20050601_feature.shtml

"Supergrass are still coiffuring their trademark sideburns and despite a solid performance in Norwich, reviewer Simon Clough wonders if the band are in danger of getting trapped in a time warp."

"Even so, they were once the epitome of youthful exuberance, so their getting on a bit begs the question: Have Supergrass lost their meaning in today’s music world?"

Back to my question then of Supergrass’ relevance in today’s scene. Well, there was a time a band called Status Quo were bold, brash and brimming with the youthful confidence.

Time warp trap

If they're not careful, Supergrass might well become caricatures of themselves too.

They're already looking slightly Quo-esque (turns out Mick Quinn's new look is actually Rick Parfitt's old look) and it’s their refusal to progress that will spell their downfall.

Supergrass are not so much pushing the envelope as climbing inside, sealing and posting it to their selves of five years ago.

Omg.

Imagine being so antediluvian that you are alienated by Supergrass.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3lvansXAAQjBZo.jpg

Who's Ted though?

MPs overwhelmingly back Brexit bill

http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/69/110769-004-CC850D50.jpg

worms armageddon kamikaze gif might have been more appropriate lol