Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

This is remarkable.

wonder if CL was at this Norwich gig? Maybe it was what cemented his future sympathy with forgotten Leave voters.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/content/articles/2005/06/01/music_review_supergrass_20050601_feature.shtml

"Supergrass are still coiffuring their trademark sideburns and despite a solid performance in Norwich, reviewer Simon Clough wonders if the band are in danger of getting trapped in a time warp."

"Even so, they were once the epitome of youthful exuberance, so their getting on a bit begs the question: Have Supergrass lost their meaning in today’s music world?"

Back to my question then of Supergrass’ relevance in today’s scene. Well, there was a time a band called Status Quo were bold, brash and brimming with the youthful confidence.

Time warp trap

If they're not careful, Supergrass might well become caricatures of themselves too.

They're already looking slightly Quo-esque (turns out Mick Quinn's new look is actually Rick Parfitt's old look) and it’s their refusal to progress that will spell their downfall.

Supergrass are not so much pushing the envelope as climbing inside, sealing and posting it to their selves of five years ago.

Omg.

Imagine being so antediluvian that you are alienated by Supergrass.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3lvansXAAQjBZo.jpg

Who's Ted though?

MPs overwhelmingly back Brexit bill

http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/69/110769-004-CC850D50.jpg

worms armageddon kamikaze gif might have been more appropriate lol

apparently diane abbott didn't vote because she was ill?

What the hell's with the abstaining LDs?

weak

Cat Smith MP
2 hrs ·

The Labour Party is a fiercely internationalist party and a pro-European party. It is because of these beliefs that I campaigned to stay in the EU, and these beliefs will never change. There is no doubt that the EU is our major trading partner and that the single market and customs union have benefited UK businesses and our economy for many years. I recognise more widely the benefits of collaborative working across the EU in fields of research, medicine, technology, education, arts and farming. I also recognise the role that the EU plays in tackling common threats, such as climate change and serious organised crime.

But we failed to persuade. We lost the referendum. Despite the best efforts of a small yet dedicated group of Remain campaigners here in Lancaster and Fleetwood – we lost. Our council areas of Wyre and Lancaster both voted leave, my constituency voted leave and the country voted to leave. Yes, the result was close. Yes, there were lies and half-truths—none worse than the false promise of an extra £350 million a week for the NHS. Yes, technically the referendum is not legally binding. But the result was not technical; it was deeply political, and politically the notion that the referendum was merely a consultation exercise to inform Parliament holds no water. When I was urging people to vote in the referendum and to vote to remain, I told them that their vote really mattered and that a decision was going to be made. I was not inviting them to express a view.

To those of you who are upset with the result of the referendum, take from this experience the lesson that yes it's important to turn up and vote - although I've been contacted by constituents who didn't even do that! - but it's also important to stand up and speak up too. Elections and referendums are decided by those who turn up - so turn up and turn out fellow citizens who share your views. Don't be just a keyboard warrior signing yet another e-petition on worthy things.

Although I campaigned for remain I am, above all, a democrat. Had the outcome been to remain, I would have expected the result to be honoured, and that cuts both ways. A decision was made on 23 June last year to leave the EU. I wish the result had gone the other way - I campaigned passionately for that - but as a democrat I have to accept the result. It follows that the Prime Minister should not be blocked from starting the article 50 negotiations, which is why I voted for the EU Bill at this week's second reading.

But I will not be giving her a blank cheque on what the UK out of the EU looks like and I will be supporting amendments next week which ensure EU citizens here in the UK are protected, as are our workers rights and the environmental protections as well as trade and sectors like higher education which is so important in my constituency. I will vigorously oppose any threat to rip up existing economic and social protections, including slashing corporate taxes and public spending. Living standards and public services must not be used as a bargaining chip in Brexit negotiations. Tonight represents the beginning of a negotiation, not the end, and I will be standing up for the best interests of my constituents and the country every step of the way.

most of that seems to be word for word taken from the speech Starmer gave in parliament yesterday, are all the Labour MPs who voted fir the bill sending that round with their respective constituencies subbed in for Lancaster and Fleetwood?

lol

(I agree with most of it, though, fwiw)

tbf if you're going to make a rote token nod to "democracy" it might as well be as rote and token as you can make it

I will be standing up for the best interests of my constituents and the country every step of the way riiiiiiight after this

i think "look, you lost, suck it up beardos" would've done a job

Dame Margaret Beckett, the former Labour Foreign Secretary, says she will vote for the Bill, but adds: “I still fear that its consequences, both for our economy and our society, are potentially catastrophic.”

Wtf?

fuckin' principles, how do they work

if anythings shes democratised that a little too well for me gary

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Ultimately no matter who's in charge you can always rely on the Labour Party to roll over and basically do what the Tories want in the end.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/02/yvette-cooper-calls-for-national-debate-on-immigration-as-she-launches-inquiry

FUCK the fucking Labour party

They are chasing after ~polling results~ like some YouGov is some crystal ball into voter opinion.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChukaUmunna/status/826787973622538240

This poll is basically asking "would you prefer unicorns, or BEING TOTALLY FUX0Red" under which conditions, of course 51% of people are going to pick unicorns.

I keep seeing these terrible results from YouGov being bandied about by MPs and the press. I didn't know anyone who even used YouGov! So I joined, and I've been encouraging people to join and try to move the percentages. But the problem is, often the options are: Centre right option; Hard Right option; How far can we push the Overton Window into outright fascism option; Don't Know.

Of course they keep getting Centre Right responses when there's not even a Centre Left option, let alone anything beyond.

If there had been an option that was neither "Unicorns" or "You're fucked" but "If we can't get a better deal than the one we have, it would be more sensible stick with the deal we have" - but Labour never seem to consider adding new options, just continuing to slavishly follow ~opinion polls~ without even questioning how they are produced.

Umunna is particularly mendacious at the moment. I honestly think he believes he is "being pragmatic" and "fighting for the best deal"; that's a charitable interpretation. I don't know what else the child of two immigrants, living in an 85% Remain area is hoping to accomplish with this. He's already alienating his voter base. It's not bad enough that he voted the way he did after trying to represent himself to his constituents that he was going to represent us. He then had the audacity to go and publicly lie and release some statement saying "none of my constituents contacted me about this" only to be greeted by a hail of screengrabs of emails and tweets and letters from constituents that had been bombarding him for weeks.

It's just such a bizarre and self-defeating option to pursue. Anyway, in the next Tory Gerrymandering, this constituency is being carved up between Dulwich and Tooting, both of whom rebelled so I'm hoping we get shot of this mendacious twit.

Following Polls which are shaped by design to return misleading results just seems so deeply deeply wrong-headed.

Have we not DONE this argument 10 million fucking times over the last 15 years? It is honestly like banging your head against a brick wall. These fucking principle-free fucks bleating constantly about needing to debate people's right to exist. And what wonderful timing too, to choose the week of global pro-migrant protests not to push that argument politically but to double down on fucking Legitimate Concerns

may they all burn

xp!

Cooper told the Guardian: “I wasn’t in the Home Office, or any of the key departments..."

Get tae fuck.

I briefly joined YouGov last year and found similar things Branwell - just really reductive options. I know a poll can only hold so much nuance but it was barely the level of a Sporcle personality quiz. And you'd think an official govt polling site might contain some...information? facts? to enable people to make up their minds rather than going with kneejerk feeling

Why would you need facts, when you can just endlessly regurgitate opinions? (New ILX board description, TBH.)

It's depressing, but when my MP not just ignores - but actively denies - contact from his own constituents in favour of this rubbish heap, what can you do but shovel at the rubbish heap?

is the yvette cooper interview that bad? i mean i normally can't stand her but if many people are actually anti-immigration, as they clearly are, then maybe it would have been a good idea to try to make more effort in actually facilitating integration or educating people?

i'm not sure she says anything in that piece that suggests she wants to cut immigration. that didn't feel like "legitimate concerns" to me, more like suggesting we need to do something about people's concerns, no matter how wrong or misinformed they may be.

perhaps i'm being too kind to her but in terms of what to do in this country, it does seem like there needs to be some attempt to walk people back on immigration, given that the alternative would mean their views just harden or get worse. it's probably way too late, but she does kind of hint at some good arguments about how the tories might scapegoat immigrants to avoid getting blamed for quality of life themselves, without explicitly saying that.

There's another leadership contest in the offing, I assume.

Once Nuttall's safely in the Commons.

And you'd think an official govt polling site

yougov isn't officially anything other than a polling company founded and run by a bunch of tories

I probably should have cancelled my direct debit and wanged my card in the bin by now. But it is the potential to piss on the chips of unreconstructed tories like Yvette Cooper that keep me going as a member.

I agree with LG - I didn't see anything in the article regarding 'legitimate concerns', and it seems self-defeating to argue that the Great British Public do actually have all of the facts in their possession. Where would we go from there except Noodle Vague's bloodiest fantasies?

Noodle Vague's bloodiest fantasies is certainly a strong candidate for screen name.

Airport potboiler, gold embossed letters.

bring on the NV bloody assizes IMO

The obvious issue with the Yvette Cooper thing is she implicitly states the Treasury and DWP aren't "key departments", given she held senior cabinet positions in both while Labour were in power. (Note lack of argument over Housing ministry.)

at least at last an almost prominent politician is almost saying see that debate we always said we were having and which was so necessary well we weren't actually having it

tbh I would execute enemies of the people as bloodlessly as possible

That's what the guillotine's for.

vote noodle vague for exsanguinator-general

No need for bloodshed. I'd build a gulag archipelago in the Shetlands and leave them on starvation rations, any survivors would re-sentenced as having taken more from the state than they were entitled to.

Absolutely world class piss-taking by the Government in today's White Paper:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3qgluEWIAADpRt.jpg

cantbagree with nvs politics but i support his methods in a broad sense

I get an e-mail from Yougov about once a fortnight inviting me to take part in a survey. Most of the time I ignore it. Whenever I do click on the link it almost never asks me political questions, just endless brand recognition things about pizza delivery companies I've never heard of / cafes I never go to / train companies I haven't travelled with.