how many friends/family members have you stopped speaking to because of Donald Trump

I just checked the electoral history of the town I grew up in and, going back to 1832, the Tories have never won a parliamentary election there. So, yes, Tories, were pretty thin on the ground where I grew up, working class Tories being as good as non-existent as I didn't have much contact with the middle classes until I went to university.

... and, of course, being a workshy fop for most of my life since then, I haven't met too many Tories since.

idk I've found it a bit tough not to judge the people in my life who voted Trump, it seems to just go far beyond conservative vs. liberal or small government vs. big government or whatever this time. I mean there are people I know who voted for Trump who don't care about politics and don't watch news, but didn't like what Obamacare was doing to their premiums or don't feel like he's done anything for them in 8 years. Which is fair, I guess.

when Trump started running I was actually kind of on board myself, I hate money in politics and blind partisanship, and at the time a lot of people were like "dude, this guy is a lifelong liberal". granted the illusion got shattered pretty quickly when I actually heard him speak, because he was so obviously worse than any of them. And that's the thing that gets me. I know a hundred million people watched those debates, I have no idea how any of them could look at Donald Trump there and say, "yes, THAT is what this country needs" unless they're also one of those who say "BLM is the new KKK" or "9/11 was an inside job". He was a corrupt liar who was utterly unqualified for the job and was possibly compromised by a hostile foreign government, and what's worse is that he telegraphed all of this EVERY STEP OF THE WAY and his voters didn't care. So yeah, I'm finding it hard not to judge these people. I mean I know one guy who voted Trump and he was kind of honest about it - dude is a millionaire with a lot of investments so it's like, ok, I can respect that. But what's everyone else's excuse?

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Most of my family are Tory voters, I think.

my in-laws are tory- or ukip-voting, brexit-supporting folks for the most part (thankfully my wife somehow ended up as pinko as i am)

family dinners have been strained a bit but we try to keep it civil by not talking about politics and thankfully we're not often all together. interestingly tho they've been a lot less active with pro-brexit shit on facebook since farage started palling around with trump - i guess trump is still beyond the pale for some otherwise rabid brexiteers?

honestly flabbergasted that anybody here would even attempt to argue that maintaining personal relationships with trump supporters is just fine and dandy. y'know, i believe black lives matter. they don't. and the response to that is "why let some political difference get in the way of friendship"? i am legitimately horrified by that attitude.

No Lives Matter

I think you'd have to care about the person a lot and believe they can change.

Only one side reductive itt yep

I think you'd have to care about the person a lot and believe they can change.

― Robert Adam Gilmour

"they can change" or "i can change them"? you can't change them. accept them as they are or don't.

Maybe not but I think they could get a lot worse if left too much alone with other right wing people. My siblings and I can talk our parents away from certain positions sometimes. I think I benefit in some way from regularly observing people whose views I hate but I have to deal with them. You can read opposing views as much as you want but it's something more when you have to maintain a relationship with them.

Let's be clear that I don't mind if people want to dump all the Trump supporters they know. Life is short and you don't get the opportunity to dump friends and acquaintances very often.

honestly flabbergasted that anybody here would even attempt to argue that maintaining personal relationships with trump supporters is just fine and dandy.

how many friends/family members have you stopped speaking to because they didn't stop speaking to friends/family members because of Donald Trump

I literally don't know one single person who has told me they voted for Trump.

I honestly really don't fucking care if that puts me in a "bubble"

At my last job I did find out that a co-worker from another dept with whom I'd sometimes chat was a proud bnp supporter, which would prob be the closest equivalent here; it's not like we were mates or anything but yeah after I learned that I didn't want to talk to him, I don't need racists in my life

when it's really more like "If I had known this person was like this to begin with, we probably never would have became friends".

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this is the crux of the issue imo. it's not as simple as "you like trump, get fucked this instant", it's more "all this time you deceived us by hiding views you knew were toxic". trump has given a lot of people the courage and confidence to go public as anti-race/anti-gay/anti-women fuckheads.

how many friends/family members have you stopped speaking to because they didn't stop speaking to friends/family members because of Donald Trump

― Guayaquil (eephus!)

none, i'm not actually infinitely recursive

i will occasionally throw my copy of "ummagumma" at them, but only if they really piss me off

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

well thats weird

family + friends feel like fairly different situations to me, i guess. obviously i'm not going to stop speaking to my elderly grandparents no matter who they support, but i can't see any reason to want to get a beer w/ someone who vocally supports trump. like beyond everything else, wtf would we even have to talk about?

lol - what was the point of this lame experiment

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/11/514164988/the-trump-voter-and-the-facebook-commenter

fake nurse and real nurse argue politics in person for the benefit of society

Idle thought driving home: how does Trump's divisiveness stand in relation to divisiveness over Vietnam? I think I know the answer, but I'd be interested in hearing from anyone old enough for first-hand impressions. I'm about five years too young and a few degrees of latitude too north.

Obviously, the million-plus deaths during the war, and the draft, make the divisiveness over Vietnam qualitatively different. And, as even this poll makes clear, Trump exacerbates divisions that are already firmly in place; Vietnam's divisiveness was much more scrambled.

If nothing else, Trump must be the most divisive person/event since Vietnam.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/25/1614376/-Why-Trump-voters-are-not-welcome-in-my-house-this-holiday

My husband just informed me that my aunt is posting pro-Trump/anti-refugee shit to Facebook. We're Canadian, so I thought we were pretty safe from this crap here, and I see my aunt infrequently enough (generally once or twice a year, on my grandfather's birthday and at Christmas, unless there is a wedding or funeral) that I don't see it impeding my life or my relationship with my family in any significant way, but it is definitely disappointing.

the only person i "know" who voted for Trump is one of the nurses at my hematology clinic; he draws my blood sometimes. He is a middle-aged Romanian immigrant.

I expect The Green Berets to be reissued at box offices very soon

p sure that is streaming in many places

streaming is Communist!

that explains many things about Morbs

last night there was this really aggravating redneck at the karaoke bar not merely cheering but SHRIEKING during everybody's songs in a piercing voice, and then after someone sang a song that he dedicated to the troops, she walked up to the karaoke host and the next singer and told them to stop and hold on a second, and said we needed to let the previous singer sing the National Anthem, because it was truly a great time to be alive right now. so it was obvious what she was saying without saying it - I'm of course at the bar to get away from shit like that and the whole bar had this uncomfortable atmosphere as a result (mostly cos no bouncers and employees just letting her carry on - it's a touristy bar).

The guy who she wanted to sing it wanted no part, and for the next 15 minutes, kept yelling at people to sing "God Bless America" or "The National Anthem".

never came so close to throwing a full glass of beer at anybody.

the only person i "know" who voted for Trump is one of the nurses at my hematology clinic; he draws my blood sometimes. He is a middle-aged Romanian immigrant.

Transylvania, by any chance?

I'm assuming you've noticed the lack of mirrors at the clinic?

open all night

Vampire In Trump Voting Fraud SHOCKAH!

and then after someone sang a song that he dedicated to the troops,

rly need 2 know what song, this sounds low key more fucked up than the redneck's antics.

I hope it was "Oliver's Army."

Love lift us up where we belong where the eagles cry on a mountain high love lift us up where we belong far from the world below up where the clear winds blow

I stopped speaking to my uncle over politics about a year before Trump, when he started letting his friends post pics of obama being lynched on his fb wall and he liked them. I did stop speaking to a cousin over trump though, as she was completely blind to the racist elements of his allure.

It started with a kiss, in the back row of the classroom how could I resist the aroma of your perfume you and I were inseparable, it was love at first sight you made me promise to marry you, I made you promise to be my bride but you were only eight years old and I had just about turned nine I thought that life was always good, I thought you always would be mine It started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this it started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this I remember every little thing, like fighting in the playground some good looking boys had started to hang around that boy hurt me so bad but I was happy 'cause you cried still I couldn't help but notice that new distant look in your eyes then when you were sixteen I had just turned seventeen I couldn't hold on to my love, I couldn't hold on to my dream it started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this it started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this You don't remember me do you? You don't remember me do you? Walking down the streets again, the star of my love story and my heart began to beat so fast, so clear was my memory I heard my voice call out your name as you looked then looked away I felt so hurt, I felt so small, it was all that I could say you don't remember me do you? You don't remember me do you? It started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this it started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this

it was "They're Coming to Take Me Away (Ha-Ha)"

j/k, I don't remember what lame country song it was

the only music genres i like are rap and country

Really about to stop answering the phone to my mum, who alleges the Kochs are registered Dems and that Left protestors did not vote and are on George Soros' payroll.

Kochs being registered dems would be interesting, considering their direct proxies are glad-handing republican legislators

I shit you not, the state director for Americans for Prosperity (the Koch proxy group) had his picture taken shaking the hand of my state's governor at the signing of a bill gutting collective bargaining

She is mixing this with saying very hurtful and/or racist things to me, perhaps she should look into adopting Ann fucking Coulter and leaving me the fuck alone.

sorry to hear that, suzy

Oh and get this: Obama never had as much vitriol thrown at him as 45 gets.

AAAAAAARGGGGGGHHHH

I don't know how to respond to that other than: OK?

I mean, I'm chuckling at the fact UK parliament voted to not even meet w/this fucker, but that says incredibly bad things for the state of affairs