it's mostly just let me know that green is never open, which i already knew. i think it'd be more valuable in a non-artifact format
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 February 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link
knowing that revolutionary and tusker are in the same pack has saved from a bunch of frustrating pack ones
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Sunday, 26 February 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
enemy fetches are a go in new Modern Masters
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 27 February 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
funnily enough i am the exact reverse. i think in KLD i was distracted by drafting decks that were appealing to me to play but only sometimes effective, whereas there are almost no viable options in this format that do not involve smashing face. also, your uncommon run breakout has been a delight.
ditto here. never quite got ahold of KLD, I'd often draft myself into a brick wall and wind up with decks that just didn't work. this format feels a bit more fluid to me. I love that wacky limited decks are suddenly in vogue since that's usually my strong suit. I've been dominating with U/R which is a color combination that's pretty much never Tier 1. IDK if it is here but I've been doing really well with decks that have 2-3x of each Sweatworks Brawler and Aether Swooper. Gear-Smasher is also somewhat vital in that deck.
― frogbs, Monday, 27 February 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
just from the day 1 info i already suspect that this is going to be a better limited set than the last MM
― ciderpress, Monday, 27 February 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link
yeah i like the sound of this so far
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 27 February 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
goblin guide in, though without the original art sadly
― ciderpress, Monday, 27 February 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
original goblin guide is one of the rare triple threat cards (good card, good art, good flavor text)
― ciderpress, Monday, 27 February 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
my exposure to the idea that the goblin guide art might be beloved for some reason comes from just reading someone speculating that the new art might be on purpose to maintain the price of the original, and now here.
i wish the damnation reprint had really terrible new art, that would've been hilarious.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 27 February 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
meanwhile, if i had a deck with terminates, i would go out of my way to get this exact version, in japanese:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5uHAz5U0AA35PJ.png
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 14:26 (seven years ago) link
i dont understand that art but i like it anyway. the original with the volcano is good too tho
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 14:46 (seven years ago) link
Snapcaster Mage in at mythic
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 28 February 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
xp both the other versions (that i know anyway) are good actually, but i do really like this one. also the flavour text is apparently 'the sun always sets' in a p cool riposte to sun titan text.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link
the one thing i know about shards of alara was that the fixing sucked in limited, so it is going to be pretty sweet actually being able to cast those 3/4 mana shard uncommons.
i think i have managed to not put any money on mtgo so far this year so i am v excited to use that as an excuse to piss away a small fortune on this set.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
yeah shards was weird, they made a big deal about doing a 3 color set and then just way undershot on the amount of fixing you need to play 3 colors in limited. full block fixed it with landcycling and borderposts and armillary sphere and such but in the first set you had to just play 2 colors with a small splash
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
new stony silence art also v good imohttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5xj9aTWYAA-rt0.png
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link
that reminds me of this plains art http://media.wizards.com/2016/images/daily/V9pr1xWOgp_KW_Plains.jpg
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
ok, im doing my part to get this shit banned http://imgur.com/a/ursDc
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 03:55 (seven years ago) link
so the new modern masters is looking pretty absurd. I've seen some speculation that this is wotc's move to cash out of modern, don't know if there's any truth to that.
this seems like a rare case where buying boxes might actually be good value. is $225 per box worth it or just crazy?
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:38 (seven years ago) link
what does "cash out of modern" mean?
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:47 (seven years ago) link
basically dump out all the high demand cards in this set and then stop or ramp down their support for modern as a format going forward
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:52 (seven years ago) link
interesting. i don't even know what kind of resources they actually commit to modern anymore outside of the masters sets.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:06 (seven years ago) link
LOTV. they really have put everything in this.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link
modern is popular and not going anywhere. they took it off of the pro tour because it doesn't hype/advertise the current set in the same way as standard does. it will continue to be a GP and PTQ format.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:16 (seven years ago) link
craterhoof too, that card was quietly getting pretty pricey. can finally pick one up for my cube maybe.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
don't forget Liliana!
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
that's what LOTV is
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link
oops missed that post
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link
burning tree emissary at common, look out pauper
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link
also def makes me want to draft this set even more
I don't think wizards will 'cash out of modern' but they're going to run out of exciting modern cards to reprint pretty soon. and by pretty soon I mean 'right now'. not really sure what their plan is for keeping these sets popular.
― iatee, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
theres always more modern cards to reprint, next one will go thru khans block which has plenty of stuff to hit. and by then they can start hitting some of the ones from the first MM and they'll be exciting again.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link
like chalice of the void and engineered explosives could be pushing $80 if theyre not in this one
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
just to demonstrate, there's still a shitload of relevant cards that haven't gotten a modern masters or other wide reprint, without even adding in Theros and Khans as the next MM will likely do. Obviously a few of these are likely to show up in this set but not all of them:
Ancestral VisionScapeshiftMishra's BaubleTime WarpInkmoth NexusThrough the BreachGoryo's VengeanceHuntmaster of the Fells (& all other double faced cards, i suspect they're trying to wait until both innistrad blocks + origins are within the modern masters window before they do these?)Tamiyo the Moon Sagethe 'filter lands'the scars of mirrodin 'fastlands'Ensnaring BridgeThrun, the Last TrollConsecrated SphinxThalia, Guardian of ThrabenSteel OverseerOracle of Mul DayaKoth of the HammerAjani VengeantBatterskullPhyrexian Obliteratorthe scars block swordsPlatinum EmperionWurmcoil EngineThreads of DisloyaltyRuned HaloGlimpse the Unthinkableetc
and theres way more if you include cards that are money cards via casual formats like Bloom Tender or Master Transmuter or whatever (though i could also see them hitting these in some sort of Commander Masters set during a MM offyear, with a multiplayer draft format and all). i think there's easily enough for 1-2 more modern masters sets before they have to start doing heavier recycling (by which point the earlier reprints will have been out of print for many years again anyway)
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 23:42 (seven years ago) link
tarmogoyf again, cavern of souls. the hits keep coming. blood moon yesterday too.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 2 March 2017 15:49 (seven years ago) link
yeah this is the strongest masters set for sure now
― ciderpress, Thursday, 2 March 2017 15:51 (seven years ago) link
the only big holes at this point really are ancestral vision, noble hierarch (which was in the last one but still needs another printing pretty badly), and the janky artifacts that are worth a ton now like explosives and chalice
― ciderpress, Thursday, 2 March 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link
this is bonkers
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
I've never felt any urge to buy a box of mtg packs, this is making me consider it
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
with signets now on top of land based fixing cycles at common, uncommon and rare, it is going to be interesting to see if the synergies will be strong enough to prevent everyone going balls out 5 colour every time. suspect that the success as a limited format might hinge on that dynamic.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link
glad that signets are uncommon, they are stupid strong in draft
― ciderpress, Thursday, 2 March 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link
yeah different times etc but it is lunatic that they were common. also just weird inclusions for a supposedly 2 colour format.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 2 March 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
even the mana myrs in scars of mirrodin were format warping in limited, a lot of the 2 and 3-drops in that set were garbage since your opponent was going like t2 gold myr t3 4-drop in such a large portion of games since they were 5 commons.
― ciderpress, Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link
one of the worst things abt the MM2015 limited format was the superiority of 5c decks. none of the 2c archetypes were all that developed w/ maybe the exception of affinity and it made drafts really same-y and tedious not to mention how shitty it made the sealed format. i generally dont like formats with heavy fixing and am worried this is going to be another rares + rocks format
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
imo if you drafted any cards that weren't g/w/b you were doing mm2015 wrong. online either a convoke/tokens or spirits deck was wide open every time. my win% was through the roof on that format, 74% or something nuts.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
i probably did less than 20 drafts in that format fwiw but i just remember feeling like it was very easy to slide into green-based ramp decks that splashed for all the good cards you cld get. and then having a really hard time drafting because there were no real signals or lanes, it was just 5+ ppl drafting the same basic deck
i did really like every other masters format limited (with VMA being my all time favorite draft format) so im hopeful for this one
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link
i do feel weird though because i have no connection to/interest in the secondary price of cards really since i either already own or have no interest in owning any of these cards
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
damn this set really feels like it'll be the last MM, huh? nothing is being held back. (not actually saying this will be the last one.)
hadn't realized signets were moved to uncommon - a good move for limited I think
― Vinnie, Friday, 3 March 2017 06:14 (seven years ago) link
full card gallery is up
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/modern-masters-2017-edition?true
lot of AVR cards in here, a bold attempt at rehabilitating some of the good bits of that set
― ciderpress, Friday, 3 March 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link
though thunderous wrath at common is maybe a bit overeager