the scottish independence referendum

Mark is closer (not Beano tho).

is scotch antipathy to wales just based on it being too poor and closely tied to england to have a viable stab at independence?

I think just being closely tied to England is enough.

I used to love the DC Thompson trolling cartoons in 90's Viz. Like Desperately Unfunny Dan and the one where a kilted DC Thompson character is threatening a market trader selling Little Plums with a "knacking from the sheriff of Dundee".

If memory serves it was 'Wanker Watson' that tipped DCTh over the edge to legal action.

trying here to imagine the young 90s dandy reader who'd angrily stop reading the paper if winker watson* had quietly been retired**

*a strip based round a 50s idea of (at the very latest) the 30s
**why yes i do think this is a discussion germane to this thread

i dunno i think the people making decisions based on third-hand knowledge of an idealised past is kinda what got us into this whole shitstorm in the first place

also the valorisation of cheeky young rule-breakers as the voice of the people -- i mean i love em, but dennis the menace, roger the dodger, minnie the minx and beryl the peril, as embittered grown-ups? ukip every one

truth bomb tbh

breaks my heart

Cd see grown up Beryl the Peril as an EDL Angel tbh

the bash street kids' staunch support of the english defence league was perhaps, in retrospect, inevitable

Despite teacher trying in vain to indoctrinate the class with PC cultural marxist brainwashing.

the neolib multiculturalism of snooty's gang no match for [meteor destroys us all]

Roger the Dodger is more of a floating voter I'd say, NuLab in the 90s and Tory now. Judgement suspended on Biffo the Bear.

xxp With the exception of Cuthbert Cringeworthy, who now runs a digital media consultancy, lives in Walthamstow, has a Leopold II beard and rides a fixed gear bike to work

good for him to be honest

sad abt beryl, who reminds me a lot of my mum

xxp brb doing long Carmody type about significance of Biffo being shunted off front page of Beano in mid-seventies, post Oil-crisis just as the Hayek influenced proto neoliberal new right beginning its takeover of UK institutions

xxxp rather

shunted off in favour of Dennis the Menace

biffo the ruralpolitan

(went for the carmodian deepcut there, sorry robin, i know you've moved on)

Les Pretend - classic Lib Dem

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JMW8yTccNAU/UAMRqMvfS8I/AAAAAAAAH8Q/9-X2Q-oS020/s640/zzap+063.jpg

"Ho Ho! That's the job for me - but I'd better disguise myself first" - Tony Blair, Dave Cameron, T May etc

walter the softy grew up to be jacob rees-mogg

(although i dunno how truly grown-up you can claim to be as an adult man who still has a nanny)

that doesn't work, jacob-rees mogg can't get enough of the ukip menace-types

more like rafael behr (except he sounds as if he's already a character in a different strip)

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/britishcomics/images/8/83/Finlayson.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150113130009

William Hague, earlier today

BIB

to get the thread back on track - remember that time gerard butler tried to fuck daphne broon?

https://www.sundaypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2016/01/Broons-New-Year.png

(looks suspiciously like ilx bete noir rory mcgrath tho tbh)

ok lol my sister just dropped in for a tea (hi odysseus, it was peppermint) and told me

a) STOP discussing the beano and brexit ffs, and
b) she is off to MAASTRICHT tomorrow :0

excellent call on babyface hague btw, nv, but this is me now signing off till the next gag strikes me as i have GROWN-UP WORK TO DO

tbh I originally had a suspicion that Brassneck looked like Jack Straw but the subsequent gis was disappointing

canonically jack straw is the demon headmaster iirc

and brassneck is fully automated luxury communist paul mason surely

YES I'M GOING NOW GOODBYE

lembit opik has more of a brassneck vibe to me

Gerard Butler, a good Gallowhill boy, GYT Ya Bass.

Baxendale said his comics were marxist, so maybe the Bash St Kids would all be adult SWP members.

they would be members of RISE

they would be in as many different parties as there are kids

(number of the members of Radical Independence Campaign which formed rise with the SSP were members of the SWP affiliated with central committee member Chris Bambery who left to form the International Social Group form which RIC originated)

i have seen chris bambery speak on the topic of scot nats

(shorter chris bambery: "snp = tartan tories lol")

it was a long time ago, and did not make me think it worth seeing him speak on other topics tbh

Re: Baxendale's Marxism - Yes, comic strips like The Swots and the Blots, The Jocks and the Geordies etc etc def restage the battle between DC Thomson management and their alienated workforce (ditto the conflict between Dennis and his nameless dominating Father, and Beryl and her nameless dominating Father, both drawn by the brilliant Davey Law - so many slipperings and punishments).

in beryl's case as much doting as dominating

i love davey law so much

Yeah, his drawing is just funnier than most other artists - so good on the little details of expression and posture. Baxendale's A Very Funny Business includes some wonderful original-size panel reproductions from Dennis where he points out Law's casual mastery of perspective, and the way he accurately (but cartoonishly) draws objects.

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still germane imo

lobey dosser the best scottish comic character imo

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61QHXfeaByL._SY367_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

i just googled scottish comic book characters and stumbled across an old blade supporting cast member called 'bible john' which seems a bit uh insensitive