the scottish independence referendum

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and brassneck is fully automated luxury communist paul mason surely

YES I'M GOING NOW GOODBYE

mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 13:33 (seven years ago) link

lembit opik has more of a brassneck vibe to me

not even my mate ross king sniffed out this hot gossip (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 13:34 (seven years ago) link

Gerard Butler, a good Gallowhill boy, GYT Ya Bass.

Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 14:23 (seven years ago) link

Baxendale said his comics were marxist, so maybe the Bash St Kids would all be adult SWP members.

Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:27 (seven years ago) link

they would be members of RISE

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link

they would be in as many different parties as there are kids

mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link

(number of the members of Radical Independence Campaign which formed rise with the SSP were members of the SWP affiliated with central committee member Chris Bambery who left to form the International Social Group form which RIC originated)

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link

i have seen chris bambery speak on the topic of scot nats

(shorter chris bambery: "snp = tartan tories lol")

it was a long time ago, and did not make me think it worth seeing him speak on other topics tbh

mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link

Re: Baxendale's Marxism - Yes, comic strips like The Swots and the Blots, The Jocks and the Geordies etc etc def restage the battle between DC Thomson management and their alienated workforce (ditto the conflict between Dennis and his nameless dominating Father, and Beryl and her nameless dominating Father, both drawn by the brilliant Davey Law - so many slipperings and punishments).

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link

in beryl's case as much doting as dominating

i love davey law so much

mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, his drawing is just funnier than most other artists - so good on the little details of expression and posture. Baxendale's A Very Funny Business includes some wonderful original-size panel reproductions from Dennis where he points out Law's casual mastery of perspective, and the way he accurately (but cartoonishly) draws objects.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:24 (seven years ago) link

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Heavy Doors (jed_), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:52 (seven years ago) link

still germane imo

mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:54 (seven years ago) link

lobey dosser the best scottish comic character imo

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:57 (seven years ago) link

i just googled scottish comic book characters and stumbled across an old blade supporting cast member called 'bible john' which seems a bit uh insensitive

not even my mate ross king sniffed out this hot gossip (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 22:09 (seven years ago) link

Want to hear more about DC comics management vs workforce

Never changed username before (cardamon), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 01:18 (seven years ago) link

James Butler excellent as usual (ie he agree with me): http://www.huckmagazine.com/perspectives/opinion-perspectives/scotland-eyes-independence-can-nationalism-deliver-progressive-utopia

(even tho i faintly feel his "heaved" in the first sentence would be better as "hoven", tho apparently both are considered correct)

mark s, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 12:18 (seven years ago) link

yeah that piece is excellent

lex pretend, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 13:11 (seven years ago) link

https://vimeo.com/208529700

Heavy Doors (jed_), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link

it's nice to hear somebody articulate the real arguments for a change

Pengest & Corsa (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link

:)

Heavy Doors (jed_), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link

tbf if i looked like jim traynor i'd prob hate scotland too

sktsh, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link

Sorry y'all there are more exciting things happening.

https://glasgowguardian.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/BB-poster.jpg

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link

belden vs milo, no less

not even my mate ross king sniffed out this hot gossip (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link

The 1930s are back baby!

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link

milo succeeding edward snowden would be a deeply surreal turn of events

not even my mate ross king sniffed out this hot gossip (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 20:46 (seven years ago) link

no way milo wins. would be nice for piss pig grandad to win, he'll probably be locked up when he returns to the states after getting back from syria so the more international exposure of him the better i'd have thought

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link

a year ago i'd be assured milo doesn't stand a chance but trump's in the white house and we're leaving the eu so who fucking knows anymore

there's always the possibility canadian transphobe jordan peterson takes it too

not even my mate ross king sniffed out this hot gossip (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 20:51 (seven years ago) link

well i would say look at the recipients in recent times, not a single controversial right-wing figure

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 21:03 (seven years ago) link

there's a decent sized tory rugger bugger constituency at glasgow but that definitely doesn't reflect a majority, and especially not of those involved with nerdy shit like student government and rectorship elections

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 21:03 (seven years ago) link

Who's piss pig grandad?,

Heavy Doors (jed_), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 21:05 (seven years ago) link

fair play

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 21:18 (seven years ago) link

Yep

Heavy Doors (jed_), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 21:18 (seven years ago) link

he was on the chapo trap house podcast a few weeks ago gigglingly acknowledging that he's knowingly fighting alongside child soldiers

not even my mate ross king sniffed out this hot gossip (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 21:23 (seven years ago) link

Maybe Milo would win at St Andrews? Hell, when I was there they elected Donald Findlay

Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Thursday, 16 March 2017 10:45 (seven years ago) link

Milo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald Findlay

Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 March 2017 10:51 (seven years ago) link

let us not forget the tragicomic tale of ross kemp, rector

not even my mate ross king sniffed out this hot gossip (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 16 March 2017 11:12 (seven years ago) link

They're both shitty people. Although we ran tommy Sheridan against Finlay, which was maybe not the best idea.

Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Thursday, 16 March 2017 11:37 (seven years ago) link

Occasionally I'll see a report on some big murder trial in Scotland with Findlay defending and think, "God, is he still around?". Then you realize he was only born in 1851 1951.

Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 March 2017 11:56 (seven years ago) link

WTF is all this chat that post-Indy Scotland might not try to join the EU? Surely the eurosceptic wing of the SNP isn't that strong, is it?

stet, Thursday, 16 March 2017 12:47 (seven years ago) link

is it not rather to say that the aim of independence should not now simply be in order to try to be in the eu (although that frame may play better with a lot of your "uncertainty"-focused voters) ?

conrad, Thursday, 16 March 2017 12:56 (seven years ago) link

I don't really know, because this story has me confused
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15158935.Sturgeon_may_not_offer_to_reverse_Brexit_in_referendum__says_Salmond/?ref=twtrec

Events meanwhile, as May says no ref before Brexit.

stet, Thursday, 16 March 2017 12:58 (seven years ago) link

blocking a referendum would seem to me to be literally (not abusing the word here for once) the worst course of action available to the government if they wish to prevent scottish independence

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 16 March 2017 17:03 (seven years ago) link

Yes, here's a good article on that very thing. http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/03/16/may-just-handed-nicola-sturgeon-the-greatest-gift

Heavy Doors (jed_), Thursday, 16 March 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link

Can never really tell if Dunt is always OTM or if it's just that I agree with him all the time, but that piece OTM.

BBC and some others saying Tories have been focus-grouping the "not now" line for months and think it will play, but it still seems misguided -- perhaps some people could sell it, but not a nationalist English Prime Minister.

The thing that would really have defanged it, I think, would have been to say "of course have a referendum, but Brexit is hella risky and we can't risk the delicate balance of negotiations so can we negotiate on a date?". But saying Brexit is Risky is the great unsayable thing.

(Well, the thing that would really have defanged all this was actually treating Scotland as a peer; perhaps even putting their ideas to the EU, or at least considering them in hand, but that also was not to be. May is really, really bad at this stuff. Her poll numbers continue to be troubling.)

stet, Thursday, 16 March 2017 17:56 (seven years ago) link

Dunt's articles are often OK but he is absolutely catastrophically wrong all the time on Twitter

lex pretend, Thursday, 16 March 2017 18:01 (seven years ago) link

"safe pair of hands at last" when May became PM, "thank god the grown-ups are back" when Blair piped up last time etc etc etc

lex pretend, Thursday, 16 March 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link


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