Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

Well allegedly Labour are supposed to be ideologically different to the Tories, so maybe some disagreements would be inevitable (NHS,Welfare State, Social Housing for starters).

tories didn't oppose any of those during 60s and early 70s

and it was both of the them that put up lots of terribly conceived social housing, but the welfare state + the NHS seem to be more in peril in recent times than ever before.

right-to-buy was a corrosively effective move on thatcher's part -- arguably her single most damaging policy

welfare state and NHS (along with education for all) were both outfalls of empire bismarckianism really: the argument that this vast national project needed a smart and healthy heartland, finally established just at the point the empire started coming to bits

they were fought for and established by the left but approved right across society

the other corrosive legacy is that we never really confronted our role in empire when it vanished, just kinda forgot abt it and never spoke of it

Last point is key as we come to find that those countries we think as being our friends (read trading partners) may be a bit more arms length than May expects. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2017/03/why-brexiteers-need-update-their-reading-colonial-history

Did the French deal with their empire legacy any better than the British? I'm guessing they are just as bad.

exits from Algeria and Vietnam were horrible but then they still have an EU to trade with

exit from india was also horrible but worst impact very much not on brits

yeah i don't think the French equalled the carnage we caused but their empire was considerably smaller

also possibly the american intervention in vietnam kinda took the spotlight off

I can still recall seeing a map that showed the peak British Empire in an infant school classroom in the 70's, very vague memory but I definitely saw one. But I suppose this was only 10-15 years after the Kenyan atrocities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/theresa-may-allies-accuse-george-osborne-plotting-undermine/

http://static.newworldencyclopedia.org/thumb/2/28/British_Empire_1897.jpg/788px-British_Empire_1897.jpg

1897 was empire at greatest extent iirc

ruddy shame how canada and nigeria never really got the hang of cricket

said to be a third of earth's landmass tho quite a lot of that must have been big empty islands in what's now nunavut

would love to roam baffin island during waterbird breeding season tbh

in zoot suit and panama hat, ordering my native underlings about with my cases

it's quite cold dude

The scale on that map doesn't look quite right somehow.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cyCg6QtW9_c/TT1vvDgqUwI/AAAAAAAABGQ/3zMLJX1rYo0/s400/uk_india_extract.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Mercator.jpg

blame him^^^ not me

Making the Colonies and Dominions appear smaller than they are and the hulking Russian Empire seem bigger at that point in history would probably make sense.

I like Ed Miliband a lot.

I don't mind him personally, but I just certainly wouldn't vote for the cunt or any of his type ever again though. And every time they play footage of his election campaign it is toe-curlingly bad, he was only up against Cameron with his sleeves rolled up ffs!

Well, who can beat Cameron, or May, or anyone else, at the moment? If anyone has any good ideas we could do with them.

I like Ed Miliband a lot.

his twitter groove at the moment is brilliant.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/introducing-ed-miliband-20-king-twitter-burn/

Well, who can beat Cameron, or May, or anyone else, at the moment? If anyone has any good ideas we could do with them.

As someone with a kid with autism and a partner with MS I'm more concerned with the politics of self-preservation at the moment, like beating them at any cost doesn't mean anything to me at all. I appreciate you have your own vantage point and concerns, but these are mine.

But trying to reason with a poster who thinks the BBC gets a hard time and thinks Tristam Hunt deserves respect. Why fucking bother?

Well, who can beat Cameron

pinefox van winkle lol

Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of having same 'aggressive nationalistic' agenda as Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin

Has he failed to rule out a coalition with them as well?

Beat me to the punch there.

i was wondering whether he realised this is the USP for a lot of her supporters

anyone know of any good UK politics podcasts?

http://podcast.novaramedia.com/

^^^from the "aftermath of occupy" perspective -- and more engagé than cool and q

oops, more energetically engagé than cool and quizzical surveys of the political scene -- i actually find both their main commentators (aaron bastani and james butler) a bit bumptious on-screen and prefer to read than watch or listen, but that's as much to do with my age and tastes i think

http://i.imgur.com/PFmHoHi.png

Untie the bUnion = a pun (kind of) on "Unite the Union", I guess? is "Foot problems" supposed to be some sort of reference to Michael Foot? Confusing.

You don't untie bunions either afaik

generally a sign of a bad political cartoon is little labels on parts of it explaining the allegory by saying "the national debt" or "latvia's refusal to sign the bilateral treaty in 1837" or whatever

in this one the labels make NOTHING clearer (tho i am glad to learn the doctor's sleeve is anti-corbyn i guess)

inept political cartoons are some of my favourite things in the world

Where'should that one from? Stone cold classic. Actually, it'seems probably a pis stake from some left twitter dude browse isn'the it

Thank u auto correct

I saw it posted (multiple times) by some odd twitter account belonging to a self-described "English Nationalist", I think he's on the level (or else very committed to not breaking character). it looks like it's a re-purposing of this cartoon, which is still not funny but at least comprehensible:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/fashion-foot-podiatrists-foot_specialists-consultants-foot_doctors-gshn156_low.jpg

(lol at taking the time to crop out the cartoonist's signature. poor Genevieve.)

"That's not what a Thai foot massage means."

Best possible. :(

podiaTRICKS amirite

thanks for reccomendation mark, will check that out

is the New Statesman podcast with Stephen Bush and Helen Lewis any good? Bush's writing always seems very insightful/interesting, generally not as impressed by what I've seen from Lewis.

to be honest i have avoided watching it in case my confidence in SB evaporates: i too have a low opinion of HL

What's britilx view of mcguinness