the scottish independence referendum

I'm certain that photo of the Paisley skyline is taken from Robertson car park, aka the car park in the sky, which is by day a nice place to look at the view beside a childrens play area, and by night is a popular drug-dealing and dogging spot.

is paisley nice

ULSTER SAYS NO

It's better than Renfrew, if nothing else.

as long as cowdenbeath exists other scottish towns will always look better by comparison

As a resident of Renfrew I would like to disagree with Tom's statement there, but I can't.

When I discovered there was a really nice area in Barrhead (Gateside Road), it was like opening a portal into an alternate world.

i do miss that skyline, you can see the campsie fells well from a variety of places around glasgow e.g. from the queens park flagpole.

growing up my grandparents lived in the shadow of the most westerly hill in the campsies - which is in that picture - dumgoyne

the unicode Emoji 5.0 list contains separate flags for England, Scotland and Wales:

http://emojipedia.org/emoji-5.0/

yes

been waiting so long for this moment ;_;

Slippery slope.

feels like there should've at least been a vote or something

The Welsh would only have voted not to have their own Emoji.

No northern Ireland huh

union jack's already in there tbf

Plus the Republic has one, so just stick the two together and, bingo, everybody's happy.

what could possibly go wrong

obligatory #FLEGS youtube:

https://youtu.be/MnH1OkBgTuQ?t=2m35s

The full piece in The Telegraph published only in England!! OUR oil is the only way they can save their economy after a disasterous Brexit!!! Now why would they not have published that in Scotland?! Click to enlarge. pic.twitter.com/DtqhRYqlX5

— 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Patrick_Woodside🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺 (@pjwoodside) January 14, 2019

Goodbye EU, and goodbye the United Kingdom.

https://amp.ft.com/content/e4b113f0-5552-11e9-91f9-b6515a54c5b1?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6&__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1iCni-GMufN_nVaS9fcgARsENMe9SaP73jl1DM103Th9BBKLAVMQt8-cM

c/p?

FT lifehack: search twitter for the headline, click the first link to the story.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Goodbye%20EU%2C%20and%20goodbye%20the%20United%20Kingdom&src=typd

Fair enough - it wasn't massively clear that was the title, though.

while a lot of no voting scots and their love-bombing rUK allies were bloodless FBPEU types there is also a large overlap between the strains of gammonism at play in no and leave, and some demographic overlap (older, rural).

and of course there never would have been a referendum on membership of the eu if scotland had voted yes, as it would have ended with cameron's resignation, and quite probably a victory for ed miliband's labour party. brb going to write a counterfactual history book "ed's lesser britain"

good tip, Jim, thanks.

caek gave the good tip.

good tip, caek, thanks.

Fair enough - it wasn't massively clear that was the title, though.

― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, April 4, 2019 4:58 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the title is at the top of the page even if you're paywalled.

I've not seen any polls on the issue but I really don't think that a second independence referendum would go down well in Scotland. It seems like most people just want some kind of stability. Maybe in a few years after all the Brexit stuff has settled down (if it ever does)

Hard Brexit would increase the chances, you'd have to think.

Stability is no longer an option.

I think it would make things a lot harder for Yes in the event of any campaign. A lot of the harder questions (eg currency, central bank, what they'd need to do to gain EU membership etc) were sort of handwaved away last time. The ongoing Brexit disaster shows the dangers of doing that, and the details would be hammered by the No side.

Whether that would be enough to offset the boost from the obvious Brexit shitshow I don't know, but it would be a very different campaign.

yeah, that's what i've been thinking too - brexit has very clearly demonstrated the vast amounts of hurdles and pitfalls of leaving a political union and i dunno how convincing a case can be made that scotland will be able to navigate them successfully

The EU was a largish argument in the indyref - lots and lots of stump speeches around "the EU might not let you in when you exit and then you'll be fucked".

"We promised to keep you in the EU, you voted Remain, we took you out anyway" is a thing that switches a lot of votes, I think.

As for Brexit's chaos, it'll be spun as "we'll get ourselves back in the sane and stable EU and let England sink into its own dysfunction" and I think that'll work too. Border issues aside.

I think it would make things a lot harder for Yes in the event of any campaign. A lot of the harder questions (eg currency, central bank, what they'd need to do to gain EU membership etc) were sort of handwaved away last time. The ongoing Brexit disaster shows the dangers of doing that, and the details would be hammered by the No side.

They were hammered by the No side last time.

yes, these were the main talking points that the no side had (although polling showed that no voters were more swayed by emotional, identity based - "i feel british" - arguments than yes voters).

the main sticking point for yes now - other than the fact that polling hasn't changed significantly which is obviously the main problem - is that it looks like rUK will not be in the eu, scotland would likely apply to be in the eu, and as the eu is expansionist would likely be accepted. then there would be a border issue between scotland and england, which basically can't happen

But backstop. Alternative arrangements. Prosecco Buckfast

post-indyref SNP developments on the currency question seem messy so far and a nascent source of division within the party.

did the cuts commission report go down like a bag of cold sick with the left of their membership?

scene is set for a rammy at conference on currency

xp. the growth commission was sort of just forgotten about because of how badly it went down with most of the base and how much of a gift it was to slab iirc

snp sort of remind one of new labour in their pomp. party democracy doesn't seem to be at the fore and so a restive left-wing base is kept subdued by a jupiterian, presidential leader and their technocratic allies

Gonna need a constitutional crisis thread imminently. Also:

I word for no campaigners in Scotland. You’re wasting precious time arguing about mandates. Last referendum won by persuading centre left voters 1) EU membership only safe in UK 2) A progressive Labour gov was on the horizon 3) Currency and Economic security. 1/2

— Kezia Dugdale (@kezdugdale) December 15, 2019

this was published on monday and support for scottish independence has since reached record levels https://t.co/mHIJDA5pdr

— LES MONUMENT (@wariotifo) August 19, 2020

"historian"

absolute wank of a man.

if that is the one of the best they can find to fight in their propaganda battle for the continuation of the UK, then they are truly fucked! It's Bob Geldoff/Eddie Izzard/Alistair Darling campaigning for remain dismal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoOfXUZj4gM&feature=emb_title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoOfXUZj4gM