Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

^^^they did this

isn't it the dim echo of a norman yoke argument? it was a fairly commonplace belief in the 18th and 19th century that society before the arrival of william the bastard (in the late 11th century) was free and lovely and democratic if you were of yeoman anglo-saxon stock

seems unlikely, his surname is Joy, which assuming that's the family he traces back to the 11th century, comes from French, so he'd be a Norman.

All reminds me I just bought The Wake and am soon to read it, seems a relevant work for these times

on that Dan Snow BoH program when it kept showing the two historians jauntily talking up their chances of victory from a William/Harold tactical POV - it wasn't good.

lol he's covering his tracks! like when the prison guards dress as prisoners as the liberating army arrives over the hill

anyway, some of the mythological detritus of 18th and 19th century radical activism has ended up in anti-EU rhetoric, esp.as you find it in towns with a lot of old history (and lots of crankish self-taught amateur historians)

xp there were three historians! harald hardrada had one too

his surname is Joy

Week is just full of them.

Corbyn confirms that Labour would vote in parliament against a Brexit deal if it does not meet the party’s six tests. But he says he does not want the UK to leave without a deal, and insists it would be in everyone’s interests to continue the talks.

You can smell the skin of that banana from here.

Oh ffs, not bananas again.

The Guardian has an article on leave voters in my current place of residence, which contains possibly one of the dumbest quotes I've ever read:

Shoulda stayed in Walthamstow. Or gone to Specsavers.

The bloke in the top photo in that article is so rooted in the 70s that he's wearing a Superstars t shirt.

xp idg the Specsavers ref, but I do need a new pair of glasses actually. I wouldn't go to Specsavers for them though, I've done that before and they were shite.

Can't afford Walthamstow any more which is why we had to move somewhere cheaper.

hastings residents possibly keen to revive their once thriving smuggling industry

One in the eye for Remoaners etc

the words "great repeal bill" contain the essence of everything horrendous and terrifying about theresa may.

it's about time they pulled their fingers out and brought back the Corn Laws, I'm sick of these foreigners coming over here with their cheap corn

Yes, this Bill seems and sounds awful.

just adding the word "great" to it, like to make it similar to the great war or the great british bakeoff, everyone join in, the great repeal bill is here, it won't be easy but we'll all muddle through in the end! we always do!

anything in history called 'the great' is invariably shit. the great war, the great depression, the grest fire of london, all rubbish. not to mention great britain.

xp ha yep

the tories are their own brand of innocent smoothie.

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a kinder, cuddlier iron fist which which to crush the poor

emmy the great

grebt repeal bill

"Hey everyone! It's Workie, the workplace pensions mascot!"
"Workers are disposable cogs in our glorious neo-liberal economy!"
"YAY WORKIE!"

the words "great repeal bill" contain the essence of everything horrendous and terrifying about theresa may.

OTM. What's Disraeli saying about it?

workie the workplace pensions mascot says: 'lol you'll never be able to retire you fucking peon, you'll die alone in the poorhouse and be fed to the dogs'

retiring makes workie sad!

I think the fact that it sounds like Great Reform Bill is one of the things I hate about it.

I very much agree with the hatred for the name Great Repeal Bill, expressed here.

And probably its content and effect, too.

Question: people were talking recently about a blog about 'Jolyons' -- I did not see the link -- can someone post it?

Holy hell at Workie.

Millwall Britain sounds like a keeper.

internal govt report into public's reaction to Workie:

On whether people liked Workie, the report said "perceptions of Workie are polarising".

Only 34 per cent of those surveyed liked Workie while 35 per cent disliked him. The remaining 27 per cent were "neither".

The report noted 25 per cent of those spoken to were in the "strongly dislike" category.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/furry-workie-monster-85m-year-9420645

pf- maybe this one? https://anomiegeographie.wordpress.com/2017/03/27/the-jolyoncene/

"Workie creates a sense of empathy among viewers by being non-threatening and an odd ball that is being ignored.

"Many respondents said they feel sorry for Workie."

One business, however, suggested Workie should "get stroppy" if workers ignored him in advertising.

strongly agree that they should go with this "Workie's mad as hell and he's not going to take this anymore" angle

Workie's been around what 18 months and some people are only just noticing. Questions will be asked on whether the big lad is really up to the task.

i did see him when he launched but just came to mind itt

I've been quietly thinking "what a terrible campaign" since it started but the big lad's too affable to really want to get the boot into him

Workie's been around what 18 months and some people are only just noticing

next phase of the workie rollout is higher-profile: you awake to find workie at the end of your bed in the middle of the night. as you scramble to understand what's going on, workie yells 'WHEN YOU PAY IN, YOUR BOSS PAYS IN TOO' then leaps through your bedroom window and vanishes into the darkness

you open the boot of your car to find workie squashed inside. as you reel back in shock, workie shrieks '7.5 MILLION EMPLOYEES HAVE NOW BEEN AUTOMATICALLY ENROLLED AND ARE SAVING INTO A WORKPLACE PENSION' before disappearing over the garden wall with a sleek, catlike grace

you raise the lid of the toilet to find workie's wide-eyed face staring up at you from the bowl. 'DON'T IGNORE THE WORKPLACE PENSION, GET TO KNOW THE BENEFITS' he bellows, before reaching up to the handle and flushing himself away

Thanks Bananaman.

I understand that the name is unusual but not sure it's fair to tar people's politics with it. This was probably said above.

tbh I ultimately think if these people are getting involved and doing what they can, it's all to the good.

I think it came out of Corbyn bros on twitter getting annoyed at 'Corbyn only appeals to posh Islingtonites' talk coming from, well, barristers called Jolyon.

I think people who want the Labour party to abandon socialism and ignore the working class would be better off not getting involved or doing what they can.

I thought they wanted Labour to ignore socialism and pander to the working class by sounding really racist?

Or is that a different lot? I get all these knobs mixed up these days.

iirc Joylon G advocates a "pander to the working class by sounding really racist" policy, Joylon M is more of a "Corbyn has betrayed the left by not standing up for liberal values" type.

Ken Livingstone has claimed there was at one point “real collaboration” between the Nazis and Jews, ahead of a hearing on whether he has brought the Labour party into disrepute.

at this point I can't see how Labour expelling Livingstone would be anything other than a boon to Corbyn, if they don't get rid of him this time it's surely only a matter of time until he says something else objectionable and this whole mess starts all over again?

though if they expell him I guess he might step up the offensive comments, and Corbyn would still be damaged by association, especially if Corbyn is unwilling to clearly distance himself from Livingstone (which I imagine he almost certainly would be)?

I am pretty sure that Jolyon M, whatever else he does, has not said anything racist or appealed to racism.

He is hostile to Corbyn, but I can't tell if that is for 'policy reasons' or just 'electability / effectiveness reasons'. I think the latter is understandable but don't really agree with the former.

I am a bit dubious about people who are not politicians (eg: JM) saying 'politician X is pathetically ineffective' as we don't really know how hard it is or what one should really do to be more effective. And JM has not been elected to anything.

He is anti-Brexit, anti-May, anti-BJ, anti-Gove, anti-UKIP, anti-Farage, and I agree with these positions and think it is good to make as much common cause as possible with people who hold them.

Literally the only reason we are talking about this guy is because he's called Jolyon.

why does UK hate corbyn so much?
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847024855321063424

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