yea the "ultimate" is probably not very good at all - I wonder how often it'll actually get used
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link
as one of my friends put it 'if you control a planeswalker, you can't lose' is not actually an emblem, mostly just a description of a magic board state
― iatee, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link
the emblem is more interesting in eternal formats where there are decks whose plan vs planeswalkers is 'ignore them and combo kill opponent'
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 16:53 (seven years ago) link
yeah legacy dnt is the deck I have the most experience w/ and I was excited about the possibilities for like, 3 seconds, but there just aren't enough of those decks in legacy / they generally have some way to do damage to a planeswalker too. even fewer in modern. even the purest of combo decks in modern (storm / ad naus) win can kill a walker on their combo turn.
― iatee, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
ad naus could play this instead of phyrexian unlife in some matchups though heh
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
the throwback standard gauntlet thing is back today. maybe it will work this time. i am def intrigued, could be fun to try out altho my own expectations for actually winning anything would be pretty low.
of course, my expectations are low in general currently after getting a sound beating at the hands of iatee in an mm3 league match yesterday.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
this was my deck btw
http://i.imgur.com/IojCWtE.jpg
gifts package def felt like cheating
― iatee, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
RS what's your mtgo name? curious if i've played you in the past year or however far back the game logs go
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
I've played one of lamp's friends while he watched before, and I've played multiple of my irl friends
it's kinda crazy what a small world mtgo is
― iatee, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 17:35 (seven years ago) link
the player numbers on the draft leagues look high until you realize that pretty much everyone who plays mtgo plays those
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
right yeah. for legacy leagues it's like a small town where everyone knows each other.
― iatee, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link
yeah gifts was a real groan both times. i was v jealous of how much more fun your deck was than mine.
btw i could see your last couple msgs after i conceded but of course it wouldn't let reply. another great mtgo innovation.
cider my username is onami. are you still smh? i don't recall ever seeing you
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
yeah i've been playing on an alternate account a bunch lately since it had some play points / QPs on it that i wanted to use but smh is still my main one and i'll be back on it for amonkhet
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
I remember frogbs figured out from this thread that he and I had played against each other in Cube
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
sounds about right. I remember once playing against someone in a draft whose username was the name of a good friend of mine, someone I'd been playing Magic with since I was 11, but didn't know played online. I messaged him on FB - "dude, am I playing you on MTGO" right now? turns out it was him. he kicked my ass, by the way.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
we get Cat lord
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 April 2017 13:05 (seven years ago) link
also some good hosers for Scrapheap Scrounger, Saheeli, and artifacts in general
― Moodles, Thursday, 6 April 2017 13:13 (seven years ago) link
cat lord so strong for limited, getting ready to hate that card.
the throne strikes me as more of a fun that competitive card, but it is interesting coming right after improvise. could maybe be something there for standard.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 6 April 2017 14:41 (seven years ago) link
and another efficiently costed large blue flyer. i wonder if there might be some kind of blue dump-your-hand aggro deck here.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 6 April 2017 14:45 (seven years ago) link
lol at this 4/4 lifelink for 1w. always watching is still legal right? if we can get white a competitive planeswalker, maybe one that makes tokens even, there might be something here.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 6 April 2017 14:48 (seven years ago) link
Throne being legendary makes it more difficult as a build around but it still seems quite good - are there any viable improvise decks in standard?
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 April 2017 14:51 (seven years ago) link
Really like some of the exert designs. The exert to draw creature seems like it creates two interesting decisions: a decision between racing and card advantage if they don't have a blocker; and a decision whether to "cycle" the card if they have a big blocker. combined with actual cycling, my hunch is that this will be a limited format pros will like
― Vinnie, Thursday, 6 April 2017 14:57 (seven years ago) link
the ceiling on this limited format is pretty high since it essentially has both of the 2 best limited mechanics (flashback and cycling)
― ciderpress, Thursday, 6 April 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link
one thing that people tend to get wrong though is they see mana sink mechanics with expensive costs like embalm, flashback, monstrosity and assume that they are getting a slow grindy format when it actually has the opposite effect - more things to do with mana means proactive decks get to play more turns before they run out of gas, and their 6th/7th land can remain live where in a set like kaladesh it was just a dead draw
― ciderpress, Thursday, 6 April 2017 15:26 (seven years ago) link
the liliana is very good and deserves more attention than the gideon imo
― ciderpress, Thursday, 6 April 2017 16:00 (seven years ago) link
5 mana walkers have to clear a pretty high bar, even for standard. I think it will see some play, but I'm not convinced it's very good.
― iatee, Thursday, 6 April 2017 16:02 (seven years ago) link
planeswalkers that can make blockers every turn without spending loyalty have an extremely high floor
― ciderpress, Thursday, 6 April 2017 16:03 (seven years ago) link
strong card but this is kind of exactly the kind of thing i was thinking of when i was talking about how they should do planeswalkers. i do think this will be impactful on standard but i can't imagine it ever getting the moans that gideon AOZ has.
not a fan of the name tho.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 6 April 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link
it is awkward that the EMN liliana is so good already and does similar stuff, i'd probably want a split of 1 of these and 2-3 of the EMN one in liliana decks for now
― ciderpress, Thursday, 6 April 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link
so Champion of Rhonas, there's no possible way this card is healthy at all
― Moodles, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
what the hell
― frogbs, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:25 (seven years ago) link
not to be extremely magic player but it seems worse than marvel currently? and marvel isnt all the great rn
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
did elvish piper ever see constructed play?
― ciderpress, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
this effect is never quite as good as you think, is what i'm getting at. at least on a tap ability on a creature.
― ciderpress, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
ha i was wondering the same thing so i did a quick mtgtop8 search and it was played in 12-post in modern before that deck got banned out. could not find any other finishes. also a popular edh card unsurprisingly
i like how all the trials are just replacements for the (should be) rotating oaths. having a hard time getting a handle and the new set: nothings all that powerful but lots of hate for vehicles.
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
the embalm angel eats planeswalkers which is useful in standard
― ciderpress, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
this set reminds me of theros not only in the ancient civ theme but also in how unconcerned it seems with what's going on in the sets preceding it
― ciderpress, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:52 (seven years ago) link
does champion of rhonas have potential to be better right now than previous examples of this effect because of traverse?
there seem to be a fair amount of overlap with SOI but i guess unsurprisingly little connection with KLD
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
KLD is the classic example of the lifecycle of a set whose constructed-worthy mechanics are linear - it takes over standard on release when it's a large % of the cardpool and then its influence wanes as its decks can't get new cards. we saw the same thing with Theros and devotion. KLD has hit particularly hard because of how much of a bust BFZ was, there aren't really any allies or eldrazi decks competing for metagame share.
― ciderpress, Friday, 7 April 2017 19:08 (seven years ago) link
traverse imposes a different set of deck-building constraints that dont match up all that well w/this card. maybe if theres a variety of interesting cycling cards that bridge that gap? idk. i think the big problem is that almost anything thats really powerful to cheat into play needs a cast trigger, which this card doesnt provide.
i normally dont care abt/pay attention to spoilers but the steady drip of cards is deeply irritating to me i just want to be able to see all the cards so i can start thinking abt the new formats
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Friday, 7 April 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link
http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/bountyoftheluxa.jpg
feel like this is the most confusing way they could've templated this
― frogbs, Sunday, 9 April 2017 02:18 (seven years ago) link
theres no good way to do it really but yeah
― ciderpress, Sunday, 9 April 2017 02:18 (seven years ago) link
Really cool design for a card, at least
― Vinnie, Sunday, 9 April 2017 03:08 (seven years ago) link
yeah no doubt
― frogbs, Sunday, 9 April 2017 22:19 (seven years ago) link
got11th (11-2-2) at the scg open, lost for t8 on camera :(
― iatee, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:15 (seven years ago) link
had a good on camera miracles blowout match earlier in the day too
― iatee, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:16 (seven years ago) link
Sorry for the loss, but that's an awesome run and a great finish either way! Now I'm eager to see your footage. I missed most of today's coverage because I was busy playing like crap at a modern 1K.
― Moodles, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:19 (seven years ago) link
playing your usual death&taxes deck? i didn't see any of the coverage
― ciderpress, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:19 (seven years ago) link
yeah dnt w/ red splash
― iatee, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:27 (seven years ago) link
what's the red for now that there's a white recruiter?
― ciderpress, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:28 (seven years ago) link