Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

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find it a bit sad/sad lol that both labour and the lib dems are proudly announcing that 2,500 people have joined their party since the election was announced. like... doesn't exactly feel like some seismic yes we can numbers.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:03 (seven years ago) link

not least considering about 250k people used digital register to vote on the day of may's announcement

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:04 (seven years ago) link

Q: [From ITV’s Libby Wiener] Your poll ratings suggest people do not believe you. And you attack the elite. But aren’t you just part of an Islington elite.

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Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:05 (seven years ago) link

I'm part of the Islington elite and I can assure you Corbyn is not one of us.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:06 (seven years ago) link

Never once seen him in the Coronet on Holloway Road.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:06 (seven years ago) link

tbf anybody joining the Labour party is taking a punt as to whether they'll be allowed to stay and vote for owt

Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:09 (seven years ago) link

The thing is, these cunts in the media all live in London (of course) and so know exactly what Islington is really like, though of course many of them probably avoid it because it's too downmarket and full of immigrants, non-white and working class types.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:10 (seven years ago) link

what even is the islington elite? he has some money but i don't recall journalists grilling osborne or cameron about going to eton.

imagine what kind of rodent would go all-in on the idea that holding liberal views or wanting a society which doesn't torture those in need makes you an elitist.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:11 (seven years ago) link

Good speech.

Matt DC, Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:12 (seven years ago) link

IT IS NOT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE

Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:12 (seven years ago) link

i don't recall journalists grilling osborne or cameron about going to eton.

Politics of envy dontchaknow

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:13 (seven years ago) link

ONE PEOPLE, ONE WILL, ONE DIRECTION

Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:13 (seven years ago) link

Good speech.

really good imo. haven't felt anything even akin to enthusiasm for him much but it had some fight to it at least.

xpost NO COALITION OF THE LOSERS

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:13 (seven years ago) link

BRITAIN'S GOT BREXIT

NOW HERE'S ANT AND DEC IN UNION JACK WAISTCOATS GIVING AN IMMIGRANT A GOOD SHOEING

Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:14 (seven years ago) link

Feel like Islington elite was no problem for anyone in the days of Blair and Brown, then "North London intellectual" became an antisemitic dogwhistle pejorative in the Miliband era. The only reason it's used against Corbyn is because it's his constituency and it's a good stick to beat him with by the "they don't understand working class communities but btw we still support austerity" kru.

Matt DC, Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:14 (seven years ago) link

yeah islington is vaguely known as being posh. it's unfortunate corbyn isn't representing an area people don't actually have a shorthand for.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:15 (seven years ago) link

tho it would be hilarious if he was mp for shoreditch and dalston.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:15 (seven years ago) link

it's weird - the angel islington is the second cheapest property on the monopoly board

conrad, Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:17 (seven years ago) link

Tom Watson is MP for West Bromwich East, just sayin

Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:17 (seven years ago) link

Right Honorable Member for Hummus & Chardonnay.

Matt DC, Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:17 (seven years ago) link

the English electorate will never trust a politician who looks like he might have read a book

Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:18 (seven years ago) link

corbyn: "i will not rest until a bacon roll costs 12 quid in every cafe in the north"

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:20 (seven years ago) link

Corbyn's standard response that half of Islington is in poverty and being squeezed by policies designed to benefit the leafier bits with £2m houses is correct. It's a microcosm of almost everything that is wrong with the country.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:22 (seven years ago) link

btw i saw some Tory politician or other on tv yesterday telling the Scots they should stay in the Union because free trade and free movement are awesome then i hurt myself laughing

Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:23 (seven years ago) link

the inequality in london is truly insane. the whole city is morally perverse. like the rents and house prices in given areas combined with the visible and growing numbers of addicted, homeless and mentally ill people.

xpost

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:25 (seven years ago) link

it's weird - the angel islington is the second cheapest property on the monopoly board

Monopoly can't keep up with gentrification.

Corbyn's standard response that half of Islington is in poverty and being squeezed by policies designed to benefit the leafier bits with £2m houses is correct. It's a microcosm of almost everything that is wrong with the country.

Yup. Talking to some people you'd think Hackney is nothing but hipster cafes as far as the eye can see but if you take a look at the childhood poverty rates...

xpost Ronan totally otm

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:29 (seven years ago) link

I can recall many years ago in The Graun, Francis Wheen wrote a really good in defence of "Champagne Socialists" piece. God, it was probably 20 years ago. But reminding people that posho oddballs like Stafford Cripps or whoever did a lot of good work.

calzino, Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:31 (seven years ago) link

Most of the Atlee cabinet could be derided the same way as Corbyn, although I'm not sure if there is a snappy way of putting this to the electorate.

calzino, Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:38 (seven years ago) link

maybe if Ant and Dec did it

Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:45 (seven years ago) link

lol!

calzino, Thursday, 20 April 2017 10:47 (seven years ago) link

Faisal just exhausted his scarequota for the year

Faisal Islam‏Verified account @faisalislam 1h1 hour ago
Corbyn says Labour Government will "take on cosy cartels hoarding wealth for themselves" he will "take on" a system "rigged" for "elites"

nashwan, Thursday, 20 April 2017 11:12 (seven years ago) link

Corbs "says"...it was really communicated more via war dance

nashwan, Thursday, 20 April 2017 11:15 (seven years ago) link

Carswell stepping down, voting Tory. Bottler.

nashwan, Thursday, 20 April 2017 11:17 (seven years ago) link

Jokip

why labour 'foot problems' since 2015? (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 20 April 2017 11:18 (seven years ago) link

That's...a bad thing? But Banks can't win right. He can't

imago, Thursday, 20 April 2017 11:24 (seven years ago) link

To what extent are the new Tory candidates being selected on their stance on Brexit? What happens if the expected landslide brings in a significant proportion of pro-EU MPs, or are they just going to be blocked by the selection process?

Matt DC, Thursday, 20 April 2017 11:26 (seven years ago) link

Arron Banks, the multimillionaire insurance broker who was planning to stand against Douglas Carswell in Clacton, is now considering whether to scrap his candidacy in the wake of his the former UKIP MP’s withdrawal. Banks told the Guardian:

Twenty four hours after launching my campaign, the new sheriff in town has run the old sheriff out. He’s a coward, he’s too chicken. He didn’t want to fight me because he knew he would lose.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 11:56 (seven years ago) link

the sheriff of racistham

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 11:56 (seven years ago) link

I thought those types adhered to the "mano el mano" warrior code.

calzino, Thursday, 20 April 2017 12:00 (seven years ago) link

lol

imago, Thursday, 20 April 2017 12:01 (seven years ago) link

To what extent are the new Tory candidates being selected on their stance on Brexit? What happens if the expected landslide brings in a significant proportion of pro-EU MPs, or are they just going to be blocked by the selection process?

Per the Mail, they're being told they need to formally sign a pledge for hard Brexit. The idea is that it will be the core of May's manifesto and all candidates will need to agree to abide by it. Of course, they can't stop anyone from disobeying that after the election, short of withdrawing the whip.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 20 April 2017 12:05 (seven years ago) link

is may even going to publish a manifesto? i assume it'll just be a small piece of paper with "i shall do what is best" written on it.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 April 2017 12:09 (seven years ago) link

Four point pledge:

- end freedom of movement
- leave the single market
- leave the ECJ
- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 20 April 2017 12:12 (seven years ago) link

people who feel £70,000 is not a lot of money these days god bless them

Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 April 2017 14:04 (seven years ago) link

Indeed.

At some point, if your logic is "i'm paying £30k a year to rent a flat, £3k in transport and £8k in childcare which doesn't leave me with much money" and your answer is not "maybe we should fix the housing crisis, nationalise the railways and stop cutting early-learning education" idk what to suggest other than trying to do it on a third of that.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 20 April 2017 14:11 (seven years ago) link

Maybe one of them should start a "gosh, I'm only 3 grand away from my overdraft after hols" fundraiser.

calzino, Thursday, 20 April 2017 14:25 (seven years ago) link

I meant to share a link to the Graun there, not showing up on my phone tho

Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 April 2017 14:28 (seven years ago) link

I'm lucky, it never shows up on my phone.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 20 April 2017 14:36 (seven years ago) link

To what extent are the new Tory candidates being selected on their stance on Brexit? What happens if the expected landslide brings in a significant proportion of pro-EU MPs, or are they just going to be blocked by the selection process?

This seems to imply that potential tory MPs have some sort of moral red-lines concerning the EU or basically anything else - which seems a bit optimistic judging from the last year at least.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 20 April 2017 14:40 (seven years ago) link

Cliché, but New Zealand still looks appealing: tory government yes, but one that is obliged to at least pretend to care about climate change, a constitutional limit on how racist public discourse can become, decent but not brutal weather, lack of poisonous spiders, feels cool to be up and about and doing stuff while rest of the world is asleep. Unfortunately you have to be superman to legally emigrate there. And he'd be marked down for only having superpowers under a yellow sun.

Superman or rich naturally.

wtev, Thursday, 20 April 2017 15:20 (seven years ago) link


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