when your leanings get are so predictably monetizable
This was always the case, it's just the money sources are bigger now.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 02:05 (seven years ago) link
On the other hand, the bigger fandom gets, the more opportunities there are for different types of people to participate. Would stuff like Clexacon exist if it Star Wars hadn't made genre fiction huge?
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 02:38 (seven years ago) link
i do like some of their 'best of the worst' stuff. it would benefit from much more serious editing, and kicking rich evans out of their crew. and adding the voices of women and people of color. but i've said all this before.
― long dark poptart of the rodeo (Doctor Casino), Friday, April 21, 2017 11:34 PM (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
TBF they used to have Jessie but she opted to stop going in front of the camera due to getting too much negative attention from creeps.
I appreciate that their Re:View strand is an attempt to talk about non-current films, but it's odd that they never discuss non-English language films. It's like that sort of thing is just not on their radar at all. I've also noticed that there's a clear divide between the "art films" crowd (e.g Jay and Josh) and those who just like dumb blockbuster stuff(Mike and Rich).
― Pheeel, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 11:40 (seven years ago) link
spent some time daydreaming about directions they could take Star Wars 8 last night, now to work on my fanfic
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 14:28 (seven years ago) link
On the other hand, the bigger fandom gets, the more opportunities there are for different types of people to participate.
― Uhura Mazda (lukas), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 17:34 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, kingfish pointed this out the last time we were talking about this, and it's kind of been niggling at me ever since. Not meaning to in any way diminish her agency in that choice, or the very very very real array of massive creep presence for any woman who basically makes herself public in Internet nerd circles.... but I feel like there's more that could be said or interrogated about this. Without knowing any of the actual details, I wonder: do the RLM dudes do much, or anything, to discourage negative attention from creeps, or create a space that says that kind of attention is uncool and unwanted? I could be wrong, maybe each of them puts in six hours a week going through their comments threads and clearing out shit, but their actual on-camera decisions and content don't really sustain that.
They could, for example, state outright that being creepy is unwanted, and that their goal is to create a great discussion place for thoughts and LOLs about movies, and that that requires making people feel safe, and that means pushing out harassment and creeping. Or even stick it as a standard disclaimer in their episodes. Or even say "you know what, seven years ago we thought the kidnapping-rape-murder stuff in the Plinkett videos was just a laugh but we've come to see it as not really that funny, or worse, and we're pulling it from the site"? Or plenty of other roads that they could go down, but don't. Not only have they not done that, to my eyes they've done the opposite by speaking a language that's just this side of Gamergate - especially in their coverage of Ghostbusters 2016, which was 75% devoted to mocking strawpersons for whom ~any criticism of the movie means you're a sexist~ etc. So I think it's not really enough to say that the fans were creepy and that was that.
Beyond their specific choices I think it raises some interesting questions about the structure and format of shows like this. Given a sexist Internet culture, where the presentation of people's bodies and faces operates differently for people of different genders, is there something about the "talk show" format that needs examining? That is, you mostly see the hosts in chairs/couches, interspersed with clips from the movie - their appearances are part of the content and so at the least maybe there's an extra onus to take on the kind of disclaimers I'm thinking of, especially when the hosts are overwhelmingly male and there was only ever one woman per episode (not counting the person-on-the-street interviews and the victim-in-the-basement 'comedy' in the prequel reviews). It's just a very bro-y format and I don't think that's neutral either. This dovetails with some thoughts I was having about ILX on another thread recently so sorry if I seem to be talking in three directions at once.
― ✓ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 17:54 (seven years ago) link
It's almost as if we need a RLM thread at this point?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
I don't think I've watched more than five minutes of those dudes and it was years ago, so probably
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link
jesus christ you guys, talk about Star Wars
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
idk about a whole thread for RLM especially as it invites irate googling gamergaters but i would be into a thread about gender and cultivating healthy audiences/spaces in nerd vlogcasts generally or something
― ✓ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
I have some theory that while some people are naturally stronger in the force, Jedi and Sith using the force distorts the fabric, kind of like how large masses and gravity distort spacetime. So Rey, while naturally very force sensitive, is suddenly capable of things someone untrained shouldn't be in TFA
Either that or she's some sort of sink for force energies, so Kylo Ren being near her both weakens him and gives her this power to tap that she was previously incapable of
idk probably neither and she's just strong in the force and having her do shit in TFA was just a plot device
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link
xp I am down with irate gamergaters invading a couple threads, we could use a shake up and could always just ban them
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:16 (seven years ago) link
fair enough i just also think RLM by themselves are the interesting thing about this, even if they've been the lightning rod for my thoughts in this area.
― ✓ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
er AREN'T the interesting thing about this
The scene when Kylo Ren is interrogating Rey is the turning point where she starts actively using the Force as opposed to being very sensitive to and experiencing visions as a result, isn't it? My theory is that her Force sensitivity allowed her to sense what KR was doing when he was attempting to read her mind, allowing her to mimic some of his skills. It seems like a similar thing happens during the fight in the woods, where initially she is overmatched but grows in proficiency as the fight goes on and she watches/absorbs more of KR's technique.
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
And then Luke spends this new movie going "Yes but."
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
"To truly be a Jedi, you must-""- sit on a mountain and glower? Got it."
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:47 (seven years ago) link
imo if everyone force sensitive just stayed at home and talked to flowers or w/e we'd have fewer issues. that's what Luke is on about with this island thing
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
Getting this image of Luke just wandering the island with an acoustic guitar, singing to the birds.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
maybe talking to Ben and Yoda, hanging out with birds, etc
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
"Really, I just wanted to be Jack Johnson."
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link
my other high concept idea was that the trailer is being literal -- seeing the light and the dark is very jedi/sith-centric and it's a really reductive view of the force. just like the republic (and the core/outer rim worlds and other known sectors) is a really reductive view of the universe -- there are other beings beyond the outer rim and horizons should be broadened
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link
I'm curious what they'll do with design this time, of ships & droids.
― International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 21:28 (seven years ago) link
I read something about a casino planet (!!) in this one so ... uhh ... expect that?
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 23:33 (seven years ago) link
How about a planet...with lots of different types of enviro-*ethered*
― nashwan, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 23:58 (seven years ago) link
like a luxury casino planet, or like nal hutta which is mostly crime but lots of gambling
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:04 (seven years ago) link
"Casino planet" just gives me 70s BSG flashbacks
― International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Thursday, 27 April 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
Can't wait
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/27/b8/79/27b879db6e3ef2f109cc4be44e481006.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 April 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
isn't the casino planet concept from one of the late 70s comics? maybe I'm thinking of that wheel sattelite thing
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 April 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link
wow they could have a bar, with all different kinds of aliens
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 27 April 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
Sarlaac roulette wheel or GTFO
― nashwan, Thursday, 27 April 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sabacc
This was ostensibly the card game that Han originally won the Falcon at. Who knows how they'll pervert or transmute this happening for the new one.
― International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Friday, 28 April 2017 06:51 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, they shouldn't try to pervert the original artistic vision of Star Wars: The Force Awakens: The Visual Dictionary!
― Tuomas, Friday, 28 April 2017 07:37 (seven years ago) link
some things are sacrosanct
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Friday, 28 April 2017 13:56 (seven years ago) link
Can't wait for the Sarlacc movie
― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Saturday, 29 April 2017 01:04 (seven years ago) link
Sarlacc and you know it
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 29 April 2017 01:17 (seven years ago) link
Say it loud, Sarlacc and I'm proud
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 29 April 2017 01:19 (seven years ago) link
Sarlacc y'all, Sarlacc y'all Sarlacckity-lac and Sarlacc y'all
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 29 April 2017 01:20 (seven years ago) link
suggest lacc
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Saturday, 29 April 2017 01:45 (seven years ago) link
When the Force bites dark, and the speeder's too slowAnd there is no do, only try; but the Death Star is go
Then Sarlacc will tear us apart again.Sarlacc will tear us apart again.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 29 April 2017 02:04 (seven years ago) link
SarlaccIn the middle of the
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 29 April 2017 03:00 (seven years ago) link
Are we doing ok over therE?
― International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Saturday, 29 April 2017 06:16 (seven years ago) link
Vanity Fair's traditional Annie Liebovitz-shot cover story is out as of today: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/star-wars-the-last-jedi-cover-portfolio
Some great pics in there. These two are killing me.
http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/59245798b2306f2287537fd1/master/h_1440,c_limit/star-wars-portfolio-06-2017-ss09.jpg
http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5924579852a3f44dc6f3a8a9/master/h_1440,c_limit/star-wars-portfolio-06-2017-ss10.jpg
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link
after all this jedi training it's more like Daisy Ripped-ly amirite
― mh, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 17:34 (seven years ago) link
Daisy, radly.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
who is the young girl?
― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
Carrie's daughter Billie Lourde, who has a role in the new one.
― how's life, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
She was in FA too, I think.
― the ghost of markers, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 19:01 (seven years ago) link
Don’t read that story if you want to go in spoiler free, btw.
SPOILERS
*a Death Star blows up*
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link