a hot dog is

Noodle, yeah in legal philosophy this is sometimes referred to as core vs. penumbra.

A "core" case would be one that the statute is intended to cover. In the classic example, a statute that bans vehicles from a park is obviously intended to cover cars. A "penumbra" case would be one not considered by the creators of the law, such as a skateboard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart%E2%80%93Fuller_debate

Good thing we're not discussing whether or not cereal is a soup.

can't believe we haven't tackled the oreo question itt

xp uh cereal is obviously a stew.

"Not the thing that springs to mind when you say sandwich" is sort of my wife's criterion. Her test is like, "If you asked for a sandwich and somebody brought you (X), would you be satisfied or boggled?"

If I said "Hey, I'm making some soup. Want some?" and then I brought you a bowl of cereal, you'd be like WTF?

If I said "Hey, I'm making a sandwich. Want one?" and then I brought you a taco, you'd be like, um, huh?

(But you'd still eat it, because my tacos are fucking delicious.)

Special cases get special categories, such as breakfast sandwich (e.g., Egg McMuffin) or open-faced sandwich or ice cream sandwich. The extra specificity lets your hearer know what to expect. If you ask for a sandwich and someone brings you an Oreo, you'd be like wtf dude. But if you had asked for a sandwich cookie, you'd be pleased.

can't believe we haven't tackled the oreo question itt

― adolf hitler, the moses hightower of national socialism (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, May 2, 2017 7:57 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Good point. If you chew up a hot dog and spread the resultant paste between two other hot dogs, is that basically an Oreo? Yes. Of course it is.

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"Sandwoid"TM

Any food product which is pureed and packed into a casing counts as a hot dog, I'm pretty sure. Similarly, one could argue that the contents of a hot dog removed from the casing would be considered a food product.

WaPo: 'A hot dog is a taco. A steak is a salad. A Pop-Tart is a calzone.'

hot dog is a pizza via the Four Foods Theory

I don't think it's unfair to assert that resolving the mysteries posed itt is the first step towards universal accord between the peoples of the world.

ugh why is it always the "hot dog isn't a sandwich" people who need to pull out a fucking whiteboard and talk to ruth bader ginsburg

Hotdog is a sandwich.

This is one of my favorite threads.

Poll results are a classic case of hearts overruling minds.

see THIS is why ppl leave ilx

youre all morons

NOT A SANDWICH

― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, July 31, 2015 3:30 PM (three years ago)

^ still posts here

what unites us is greater than what divides us

hot dogs are like tattoos

― oh, i am a lonlely poster. i live in a box of posts. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, July 31, 2015 1:52 PM (three years ago)

The French ones look like they got fused with welsh rarebit

― xelab, Friday, July 31, 2015 1:53 PM (three years ago)

xelab was responding directly to SG btw.

I would be willing to split the difference and accept that a hot dog is half a sandwich. Can we all agree on that much, at least?

Lunch, I am definitely of the school that there are degrees of sandwichness. A hot dog is more of a sandwich than, say, a suspension bridge is. But less than a BLT is.

It might (and perhaps has) been argued that a suspension bridge is just the filling in a discontinuous landmass sandwich.

god these poll results get me steamed

Steamed like a hot dog which is most assuredly not a sandwich, would u say?

Burgers are also not sandwiches

is an open-faced sandwich more or less of a sandwich than a hot dog, and if so why? (because it has sandwich in the name is not an answer i will accept)

By that logic, the Earl of Sandwich would also have been a sandwich.

Or would not have been, rather. And we all know that he was.

an open faced sandwich is not a sandwich

Bears a certain family resemblance one’d have to admit

I would submit that once you establish the bread-->meat-->bread arrangement, the burden of proof shifts to the "not a sandwich" party. And I have not seen one argument re: "not a sandwich" that has gone beyond "it doesn't feel like a sandwich to me."

yes and facts don't care about your feelings of course

I have not seen one argument re: "not a sandwich" that has gone beyond "it doesn't feel like a sandwich to me."

Fair point, PBKR, but. Let's not be too hasty in dismissing that argument on its face (or its open-ended).

A lot of categorization is exactly that. Let's say someone asks you what you want to eat and you say "oh, how about some soup?" Bowl of chicken noodle, cool. Bowl of chowder, okay. Bowl of gazpacho, hell yeah. Bowl of Cheerios... what the fuck?

Now. Somebody asks you what you want to eat and you say, "a sandwich." They bring you a BLT, cool. Croque-monsieur? Cool (even though it is not bread-meat-bread). They bring you an Oreo, you'd be like WTF. A taco? Um, thanks but huh?

A hot dog is a middle case. For a lot of people it does, in fact, hinge on whether it "feels" sandwichy.

Also the framing is flawed.
Peanut butter and jelly; grilled cheese. Neither is bread/meat/bread but both are definitely sandwiches.

A lot of categorization is exactly that. Let's say someone asks you what you want to eat and you say "oh, how about some soup?" Bowl of chicken noodle, cool. Bowl of chowder, okay. Bowl of gazpacho, hell yeah. Bowl of Cheerios... what the fuck?

cheerios relation to soup is not like hot dogs relation to a sandwich at all. soup is composed of vegetable and meat and stock/juice/water. a sandwich is meat between pieces of bread

(apart from the examples you have listed which are exceptions which prove the rule!)

an open faced sandwich is not a sandwich

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— JUNKYARDPOPSTAR (@HEFFYRAPS) July 12, 2019

I hate this, but I recently decided David Lee Roth is a genius. So I am paralyzed.

Hot dogs, when you really think about what they are, are horrifying. An affront to nature. And I feel that the best way to truly revolutionize them is to bring their inherent horror to the forefront where it cannot be ignored. This is what I do to your food. Enjoy.

Do you like? I have made your hot dog look like a centipede drizzled with the viscera of an unwell fish. Bon...apetit.

You know that JUNKYARDPOPSTAR (@HEFFYRAPS) is not really a chef right

completely disgusting foods our parents ate

#notallhotdogs

In much the same way that a corndog is unquestionably a popsicle, anyone who's willing to breach all bounds of human decency in preparing a hot dog is a chef in my book.

https://buttondown.email/theswordandthesandwich/archive/notable-sandwiches-89-hot-dog/

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But, dear readers, I wanted—no, needed—to seek out wisdom from higher authorities, rather than simply glean gristle and leftover bits of pre-prepared content and stuff them into the sausage casing of this column.

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I had two chicago dogs for dinner at home last night. Great sandwiches.

Tea is soup

Soup is tea probably more accurate.

I'm just going to refer to anything edible as "food" from now on and not bother being more specific

hot dogs are a Christmas movie are not a sandwich

"Sometimes a hotdog is just a hotdog (by the way, this must be written as one word, as it is a compound noun; "hot dog" describes a dog… that is hot). "

people who think English is German:

Sarah Stroup, Philologist and Professor of Classics, University of Washington
Jesse Sheidlower, Lexicographer, Columbia University; Former Editor-at-Large, The Oxford English Dictionary
Frankie Huang, Consulting Semiotician
J.D. Connor, Associate Professor, Media Studies, School of Cinematic Arts, University of Southern California
Jim Lohmar, Senior Lecturer of Classical Languages, College of Charleston

hot dog describes a sandwich
hotdog describes skiing

I'm on Team 'It's a Weird Sandwich, But Close Enough', in part because if it ain't a sandwich, then it's a freak of nature.