xpost Yes. There's a simulated you walking around inside the Framework. When you enter the Framework, you inhabit that avatar. And they suggested fairly strongly that when you leave the Framework, your avatar will continue on without your consciousness to guide it. Except for those instances where, while inhabiting your avatar, either you or your avatar die, in which case it's Game Over for both of you, man.
― Download this Man With Hamburder And Mug (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 May 2017 15:54 (seven years ago) link
My interpretation (and this is largely speculative because I don't think it was even necessarily implied) is that the Framework is kind of a hybrid between a virtual and an alternate reality. There's a lot of techie algorithm-ing involved but the thing is also to some extent Darkhold-derived. And that, I assumed, is what accounted in large part for the Framework's ability to so completely replicate an entire world's worth of people without any uncanny valley-ness. Because, for instance, how on earth would you program the complex existence of Mack's daughter such that he can't see right through the simulation?
― Download this Man With Hamburder And Mug (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 May 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link
Like my hunch is that the Framework just exists now, independently of any earthbound hardware. It's a whole separate universe unto itself that can be entered via technological means. We'll see how my theory pans out next week, I guess.
― Download this Man With Hamburder And Mug (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:01 (seven years ago) link
you're linked directly into his brain, just override any suspicions with a strong "it's her" xp
― mh, Friday, 12 May 2017 16:01 (seven years ago) link
loved the Ophelia claim that it was another world, Fitz isn't evil now.. and neither is she!
whatever, lady
― mh, Friday, 12 May 2017 16:03 (seven years ago) link
You're both right, this is just symptomatic of how little the show has impacted on me and how little I seem to be able to engage with it.
I'm the guy with decades of Marvel & DC continuity in my head - even the volumes of unbelievably shit stuff over the past 5 years - and still struggle with how leaden the concepts have been here.
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:07 (seven years ago) link
Rebirth has stolen your joy, aldo.
― Download this Man With Hamburder And Mug (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:12 (seven years ago) link
kudos to the actress playing Aida having done two distinctly different characters and three versions of the same android/simulation/human character
― mh, Friday, 12 May 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link
The two-shot with her and Fitz in the containment cell in the last episode is the highlight of the season.
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:16 (seven years ago) link
her "wait... what?" reaction to Fitz saying he only can love Jemma was great
― mh, Friday, 12 May 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
Also, since you brought up the DC shows earlier...I'm so much more invested in this show and the characters and their relationships than I am in any of the stuff happening on the CW. I cannot think of a DC character they could kill off that I'd be at all affected by, but moments like the Fitz and Simmons reconciliation this week...man, that got to me. And I'm all 'they've got to run the Trip avatar through Ada's body-making machine!' and 'we can't lose Mack!' As opposed to 'oh, did [REDACTED DC CHARACTER] just get killed? (yaaaaaawn)'.
― Download this Man With Hamburder And Mug (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
― mh, Friday, May 12, 2017 11:15 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I was seriously going to follow up with this exact comment. I don't mean to overshoot or anything, but her performance has been some Naomi Watts in Mulholland Drive, 'wait, is that the same actress?!'-level stuff.
― Download this Man With Hamburder And Mug (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
For me the whole ADA storyline has been a kinda boring cul-de-sac of a story
The ada character felt like pure fanservice from the off with her sexy corporate chic attire & quiet smolder oh she might love me oh she might kill me ... the IDEA of this story is a huge eyeroll for me
there have been entertaining parts & i dont hate it completely but it feels like a placeholder story while they figure out a new arc, it just does not interest me
I know it makes me a 5 year old but I dont caaaaaaaare about lady robots & fuckin virtual reality worlds & i just want to see them fight bad guys in a normal marvel way instead of whatever this endlessness is
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link
I think you mean "normal marvel movie / netflix show way"
half of the comics just churn crap in a much worse way than this!
but yeah, the "two guys secretly build a HOT ROBOT in their garage" bit was kind of a red herring for the much creepier reality that a scientist built a robot that looks like his dying friend (?!?) and ends up being the key, along with supernatural shenanigans, to letting the real one keep on living virtually
imo they dropped the ball on showing Agnes living her life -- she was literally kept on an island in the virtual world so she wouldn't find out her permanent home was a fascist wonderland!
― mh, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
i think you know i meant that since i usually dont talk about comic books much
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link
hey lady I don't share all my interests on this board, I'm not going to make any assumptions
― mh, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
i aint reading any of the last posts, but ... i am glad others are watching it.they have totally raised their game with this season.so many LOL moments and !!!! moments.it's a massive weekly highlight for me and my 13 year old kid.
― mark e, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
xpost fair enough lol
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, May 12, 2017 12:40 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I was gonna say but mh beat me to it. Every fourth Marvel comic you pull out of a random stack is likely to be about lady robots and/or fuckin virtual reality worlds (particularly if it's a stack of Marvel's popular '80s title Lady Robots & Fuckin Virtual Reality Worlds).
― Download this Man With Hamburder And Mug (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:48 (seven years ago) link
good book
― mh, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:49 (seven years ago) link
The most recent episode with the "it's all too much!" Aida breaking down was the first where I appreciated the actor's ability. Nicely done. And I do appreciate how it may take a lot of LMDzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz episodes, but there's a payoff with the tv MCU gaining a Madame Hydra. Reminded me a lot of the Cap movies working the Purge actor into Crossbones.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 12 May 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
sidebar (spoilery?)I'm not that sad that Mac stayed behind tbh, they've not given him a whole lot to do for a while now.he just kinda frowns and stands around now.
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 May 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link