thread for ppl who aren't watching Twin Peaks Season 3

Lux Interior: not watching Twin Peaks Season 3 - I have his autograph somewhere though, R.I.P.

I liked a thing until somebody else liked it wrong
I am pure
I am the one
Alone am I

-Old Lunch, age 14

I'm not watching either, WGW.

And for what it's worth, my argument re: Lynch's auterism (or his failure as such) isn't based on a tightly defined gate to auteurism, but on what I see a tendency to the platitudinous in Lynch himself. His themes, characters, dramatic structure, motifs are to my mind pretty standard, save for their art-school gloss. For a variety of reasons, he seems been allowed more creative control over his work than many of his contemporaries, and that gives him a little more rope than some of his '90s TV-creating peers. In other words, he got to leave in the fun shit that often made it to the cutting room floor on other shows. But the flourishes and fancies that he put into Twin Peaks, plus the VHS cult that rose around it, have lead to a critical overvaluation outsripping the show's actual merits. Which, just to be clear, are ample. But TP's fandom has focused on mythologizing far beyond the confines of the show itself (enabled/extended by Frost/Jen Lynch), in a manner that reminds me of, say, Doctor Who ––but with a veneer of intellectual superiority and insidery ' down the rabbit hole' stuff.

I guess I don't see DL's vision as so singularly his, nor necessarily unique, as much as a through-the-darkened-glass failed American soap opera. Which isn't a bad thing! But it's hardly original. Again - and I actually like Lynch – I just don't think TP is worth the crown of 'visionary.' What I mean to write is that I just don't think he's especially strange or special, no more than a lot of directors, especially when you consider with progenitors like Altman, Waters, Rafelson, Jewison, Hellman, Pollack, Forman. Οὖτις, I agree with you absolutely on the other thread that DL is a 'really this cult-y, insular dude that is still uniquely and thoroughly American,' but it doesn't mean I think he's earned special status.

edit: I just don't think David Lynch, judged on the merits of TP is worthy the crown of 'visionary'

it's weird that you restrict his rep solely to TP, which is not accurate

http://i.imgur.com/wc1W6pq.jpg

like if that was the only thing he had done yeah I don't think he would *quite* be singled out as much, but the rest of his work amplifies and informs the significance of his contributions to TP imo

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idk if anyone rates Twin Peaks as singularly Lynch's? most people seem to see it as a Lynch/Frost/Badalamenti joint and a bunch feel like the prequel movie wasn't true to the tone of the show

now, the *show's* rep as visionary has more to do with its impact on subsequent television (its prescience, if you will) than on it being a work of unparalleled genius. Cuz any TP fan will tell you - as evidenced by the various threads around here - that it is by any measure a flawed work.

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Οὖτις, i can rope in as much lynch as you want. but i was trying to talk about twin peaks in twin peaks thread.

it seems pretty mental to me to say that Lynch isn't an auteur (which has nothing to do with him being a visionary or whatever)

if you watch Badalamenti's anecdote about composing Laura Palmer's Theme (and I don't mean to denigrate his or Frost's contribution to the show) it's a fairly compelling argument for Twin Peaks as a channelling of Lynch's particular obsessions through his collaborators

what kind of bubblehead... nevermind

Why is that mental? Wait, here goes: Lynch isn't an auteur any more than Judd Apatow and Kevin Feige are.

lol come on Apatow doesn't even have a recognizable visual style

Damn, Apatowed. I guess we know what Remy's third login is.

Apatowned

when it comes down to it, being tagged as an auteur is a compliment given to people indicating that they have a distinct authorial voice, and that collaborators are guided by that voice (sometimes literally, with the lynch/badalamenti conversations). the implication is that the finished work belongs to the auteur, that their vision had primacy in the finished product

imo it's only really useful as a marker for consumers of media, so you can say "oh yeah this is a <x> production" and you know what you'll get. it almost always glosses over the other key collaborators that made or broke the standout productions -- wes anderson is consistent but variation in writing partners is definitely evident!

and yeah, you could make a case for the apatows or whatever. or george lucas.

If we're going by visual flair... then sure, Lynch is an auteur. Aesthetically, he's got a great thing going. His sound design is top notch, and his mis en scene is great. But, so?

he is and he isnt
can we stop now

I mean you could debate all day about who the ~true auteurs~ are and who is worthy of inclusion

imo there are a lot more auteurs in the fringe or low budget space. lloyd kaufman, john carpenter, roger corman, john waters, all the women I should know but don't because film is sexist and my own knowledge is shallow. every foreign director who's tagged in auteur in the US because we don't know the key collaborators because the names fell off on import

he is if you need him to be and he isnt if you need him not to be

other ppl arent actually watching this show at all, and if they are they are definitely doing so in just the right flavour that pleases you the most darling now shhhhhhh go to sleep

I want to diminish him and I think auteurism is good so he is not

Let's keep going to see just how much ground Remy can concede while staying properly riled.

this shit is the hipster version of being a furry at this point

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten)

i'm not watching this show but i am a furry. am i still welcome on this thread?

darragh you have no horse in this race. we're at the greyhound track

where does lynch fit on the auteurism spectrum

the hipster version of being a furry i mean good christ the hipster version of being a furry

if lynch is in auteur then so is THIS PUDDLE *jumps in puddle until bedtime*

like i should probably be watching this show as the last time it was on people kept asking me about it for two years straight even though i was fourteen at the time but i'm like five episodes behind in watching the one television show i do watch.

imo the only way to tell if someone is a film auteur is if nerdo theaters will have a "the films of this guy" series

roger corman, auteur

shut up everyone you're all annoying

i mean thank god people are talking about this weird trippy lsd shit instead of master of none or stupid mad men.

I mean you could debate all day about who the ~true auteurs~ are and who is worthy of inclusion

yes this is probably the most boring and cliche and pointless film nerd debate ever

dude, did you just go on a thread for people who aren't watching twin peaks and upbraid us for not watching twin peaks? that's some strong coffee, sir.

I think Remy is trying to teach people to unlearn all of their associations with the word Lynchian--very TM.

haha something is in the percolator xp

I just don't think Oson Welles, judged on the merits of his Paul Masson commercials, is worthy the crown of 'visionary'. Sorry, that's just how I feel.

Or his brother Orson, for that matter.

I just don't think Oson Welles, judged on the merits of his Paul Masson commercials, is worthy the crown of 'visionary'. Sorry, that's just how I feel.

― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch)

that's only because he didn't live long enough to make a playstation 2 commercial

really psyched to not watch this, actually got a head start re-not-watching the second season this week

going too actually watch it now, removing bookmark

can we talk about other shows we aren't watching right now?

i'm not watching The Americans but i kind of want to, especially since now more than ever a show that focuses on the tricky, twisted relationship of a pair of Soviet agents--as well as their own tricky, twisted relationship with the United States--seems cunningly prescient.

i'm not watching The Walking Dead, a show whose shift in focus away from the undead monsters and whose shift towards the all-too-terrifying human monsters who rise up in the wake of society's unrest and upheaval is spookily relevant in these unpredictable times.

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oh jfc

Not watching all those messages, don't care what u say.

imo the only way to tell if someone is a film auteur is if nerdo theaters will have a "the films of this guy" series

― mh, Monday, May 22, 2017 7:18 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

something in which Lynch excel, to be fair.

I'm cackling

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/twin-peaks-2017-season-3-premiere-ratings-episode-1-and-2-live-streaming-on-demand-showtime-a7752716.html

You win, Whiney! You win. God bless.