I find the link Alfred posted from The Week a lot more otm than the Pierce excerpt.
I agree. I was more interested in his take on The Clinton Rules.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:14 (seven years ago) link
it will be interesting (though more like just "depressing") to see how the next serious (Democratic) female candidate for president is treated. because I do think a lot of people were able to mask (even to themselves, perhaps) outright misogyny with a general distaste for The Clintons as a decades-long political reality. Pocahontas memes aren't going to provide nearly as much cover.
― evol j, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:20 (seven years ago) link
It seems naive to imagine that by speaking out she will she be received as anything other than the official voice of the opposition.
Ha – isn't it naive to think she will be received as the official voice of the opposition?
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:13 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No, I think this is the stupid, default narrative w/ opposing teams that the media defaults to
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:21 (seven years ago) link
It doesn't matter. It's all in Mueller and God's hands.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link
the Clintons are an institution which for most of the last few decades has been interchangeable with the DNC.
Interesting definitions of "most" "few" and "interchangeable" here
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link
i sort of hate the tendency among (presumably moderate) democrats to pillory those among them who successfully arouse the ire of fuckheads. "shut up, hillary, you're only making them mad." or all those goddam thinkpieces about the alienation of angry red state bigots. like god forbid we antagonize the klan.
― Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link
this thread so far in a nutshell
http://live.francetvinfo.fr/uploads/2016/8/17/1/57b3a5ed66747662ac840000.gif
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:29 (seven years ago) link
If that dude was Trump he'd still somehow win.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:32 (seven years ago) link
that's the spirit
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
if that dude was violet jynx he'd still somehow post
― mookieproof, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:27 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The DNC has been populated by Clintonites since 1992, not sure what's so interesting abt the langauge
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:47 (seven years ago) link
I think his point is that we haven't even reached "a few" decades
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:48 (seven years ago) link
it will be interesting ... to see how the next serious (Democratic) female candidate for president is treated. because I do think a lot of people were able to mask ... outright misogyny with a general distaste for The Clintons...
― evol j, Thursday, June 1, 2017 8:20 AM (seven minutes ago)
it'll be interesting, yeah, but i wouldn't take her example as bellwether. she's a uniquely powerful hate magnet, even among those who would otherwise support her party & policies, even among those willing to overlook bill's many flaws. misogyny can't be separated from that, but it's not the whole story. and she ran a bad campaign, and she made some terrible early decisions re that stupid fucking email nonsense, and comey conspired with the russians to shank her, and the democrats quietly bailed on the american worker two decades ago, and trump's idiot savant news cycle dominance powers gave him a massive edge from day one. etc.
― Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:50 (seven years ago) link
xpost 2.5 decades is a few
― President Keyes, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:50 (seven years ago) link
Interesting definition of 'populated' there. But so many things are interesting when you speak ESL.
Is Hadrian American?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:51 (seven years ago) link
she made some terrible early decisions re that stupid fucking email nonsense
a mistake that her predecessors made too but didn't have "Clinton" as a last name?
Her campaign was no worse than anybody else's. Her campaign sucked because she lost.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link
can someone ping me when you guys have this figured out finally, gonna check out for awhile
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link
I'm gonna get the papers get the papers
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link
Hey Frederik is go fuck yourself native enough?
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:03 (seven years ago) link
I'm fine with someone else making the cofefe houses joke, but to the extent HRC has an audience, 1) she shouldn't stoop to DJT's level, and 2) there are much bigger problems to address than DJT, which the election simply made visible.
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link
Thought experiment, what could Hillary Rawham Clinton done differently to won the election (the 2016 election for presidetn of USA of america)? I'm asking for a friend but I think this could generate some very interesting conversation!
― Trockasturm Hoar The Ramming Battle Ceraton (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
been remixed by Justin Bieber
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
I don't watch sports, but do those ESPN guys larp their way through last year's Super Bowl every day?
― Trockasturm Hoar The Ramming Battle Ceraton (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
Dude fans of the losing team larp through a Super Bowl loss for the rest of their lives
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
...a mistake that her predecessors made too but didn't have "Clinton" as a last name?
spicer attempts to defend kushner by saying back channels are sop. they are, of course, but that's irrelevant. the existence of this particular "channel" is suspicious in light of the comically obvious.
hillary's email habits were unremarkable. but in the early days of her campaign, under intensely public scrutiny and with the myth of clinton dishonesty already well established, she chose again and again to stall, deny and half-disclose. guilty of nothing, she did everything possible to keep keep doubt alive.
and okay, fine, no mas
― Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
Guys guys I heard you were discussing what Hilary did wrong itt I came right over, where we at?
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
her wedding
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
Ironic to see Hadrian VIII complaining about dynasty imo
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
Had HRC run on issues rather than character, she might have won. Most of Trump's voters knew he was a repugnant person.
But the great flaw was in the Democratic leadership and fundraising. There were many potential candidates that were deterred from entering the race due to the perceived insurmountable lead HRC had, and none were weighed down decades of calumnies. I'm not sure Sanders could have won facing the ton of (R) oppo during the general, but others like Jim Webb certainly could have.
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link
Hillery should have gotten with the patriotic russioan hackers
― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
Jim Webb is human garbage who looks like a Dick Tracy villain and should be sealed in a barrel and floated out to sea.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, June 1, 2017 4:25 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
A+
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
The problem being that the systems and mindsets that led to the loss are still in place.
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link
why anyone expends any positive energy on politicians to the right of Warren remains a mystery to me
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link
some comic relief from across the pond
The mayor of Manchester, a member of the Labor Party, learnedly explains that the US and UK never intervened in the mideast before 9/11 pic.twitter.com/n51OzuJVkV— Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) June 1, 2017
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
Iron Law of Institutions?
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link
XP to simon: because they run everything?
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link
also
Yeah, the Paris accords are pretty weak stuff, but the enlightened wing of the business class is freaking out. pic.twitter.com/jc3gMWybO2— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) June 1, 2017
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link
Rolling Stone: 'Donald Trump' Tops List of New Meth Nicknames
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link
I missed the part where Jim Webb was "deterred from entering the race." Could have sworn I saw him in the first debate.
― kajagoogoo's kazooist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link
he was deterred by all the faces he saw everywhere scowling at him
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
I think humans will only agree to climate change actions once their houses are flooded and destroyed and they cant buy gas for their cars cause its too expensive.
Just being optimistic!
― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
I meant in terms of hopes for the future, candidacies, etc. Neoliberalism is a dead end.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:47 (seven years ago) link
it still blows my mind that there was a cover feature in the nation praising webb early on as he ran for senator
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:47 (seven years ago) link
xp: Simon
Because enough voters don't really know left from right (cf Trump's base), and are looking at things like domineering bearing or whether the candidate reminds them of their ex. I hope we'll see a progressive in the WH soon, but I wouldn't be surprised if that progressive was a military vet.
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:47 (seven years ago) link
It's not about knowing left from right, it's about addressing people's material concerns in a credible way. Maybe then some of that 45% that sits elections out will turn up.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
Moulton '20
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link
Sanpaku OTM. Trumpbase's material concerns are being put through a wood chipper and they don't care.
― a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link
well he's "shakin' things up"!
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
it's about addressing people's material concerns in a credible way.
WilliamC otm, Trump's core supporters don't process their material concerns in a way that reflects their politics.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link