they aren't being let go, they are sucking all the air out of Trump's presidency and hobbling congressional legislative agenda. In that sense it doesn't matter if the public at large "doesn't give a shit" (although I think they do, for the most part), what matters is that it is crippling him politically. Why do you think he's making such a big deal of this Paris Accord withdrawal? It's one of the few things left that he can do without Congress (I'm gonna let you guess what the others are - they aren't pretty either)
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
here comes a litany of misleading lies from trump. this is revolting.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
trump just criticized the paris accord for not promoting "clean coal" enough, which is one dumb thing, but also...doesn't his own budget cut funding for "clean coal"?http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-budget-hits-renewables-hard-but-clean-coal-also-starves/article/2623937
his lies aren't even consistent
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link
why start now
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link
I wonder if they cancelled that Iowa rally because this was going to take its place
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
I'm gonna let you guess what the others are - they aren't pretty either
Favor us.
― insidious assymetrical weapons (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
^^^ bring it on
― sleeve, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:49 (seven years ago) link
what matters is that it is crippling him politically
In what sense? Because from Trump through Sessions to Pruitt to whomever, they are still doing shitty horrible things, whether it has to go through congress or not. The only argument that can be made is that it could be even worse.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:49 (seven years ago) link
does everyone else think I should stop posting too?
― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
Actually feel sick at the amount of stupidity in this speech. It's moronic!
― stet, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
that's the only argument to make! why is this not important??
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
Because the prospect of worse does not make terrible better!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
...
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
Josh, your basis for argument seems to be that if it's not good enough to get this administration thrown out now, it's not worth bothering with.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
things a President can do without Congress = foreign policy, ie rip up treaties, fuck up alliances, start wars, etc. you know, the good stuff!
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
Jfc heard 30 seconds of this shit on NPR and feeling homicidal.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
the whitehouse feed keeps cutting to this shot of 3-rows of trump supporters, carefully cropped so that no one else is in the same frame. it's so obviously fake and manufactured
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
I don't watch him talk, I'm not a glutton for punishment
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
also are you really hoping for something unexpected to happen? I mean
I'm hoping someone brings me a gin and tonic.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
otm
― sleeve, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
I'm hoping for a protester to yell "FUCK YOOOOOoooooo"
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
this speech is actually shaping up to be one of his most explicit and prominent expressions of xenophobism, "anti-globalism", bannonism
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
I'm hoping for more than that. (xp)
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link
He's basically declared trade war on Europe and China.
And the USA will lose that.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
Watergate took a year and a half to get going
Hmmm, more like 10 months really. And the mean attention span is about a tenth of what it was then.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
Paul Ryans statement is basically 'fuck obama lol'
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link
Pruitt's talking now.
what a fucking prick
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link
his nose so deep up trump's asshole, the buttcheeks making little hollow cupping noises as they clap over pruitt's ears
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
The US will get coal mines, we'll get renewables. The guy is a deal-making genius
― stet, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link
thank you for a note of black humor, appreciated
― sleeve, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link
― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, June 1, 2017 2:50 PM (eleven minutes ago)
wholeheartedly
― a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:04 (seven years ago) link
he took no questions
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:04 (seven years ago) link
yea i'm not going to watch this
― marcos, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
Looks like the UK picked the wrong time to hitch its wagon to the Poor Old USA.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
the mean attention span is about a tenth of what it was then
it is probably easy to believe that one can accurately estimate an entire population's average attention span when one only pays attention to three things
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
bold predictionscott pruitt will become a U.S. senator and he will be even more hatable than ted cruz
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link
savin' that for ilx first mentions but it seems so likely
guys the FP button under Violet Jynx's posts is in the same place as everybody else's posts
please stop confusing being mildly annoying with being hateful, etc.
I can't believe I'm posting this
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link
lol @ Musk throwing a temper tantrum and leaving his "economic councils" as if that counts for shit
I'm glad he's bankrolling Solarcity and Tesla and battery storage projects and space exploration but god he is such a tool
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
xp I tried that already, it didn't work
― sleeve, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link
one can accurately estimate an entire population's average attention span when one only pays attention to mobile-electronics-obsessed zombies
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link
Don't misrepresent me — I've never said or thought VJ was hateful. I just wish he'd vanish.
― a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
^^^
― sleeve, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link
I don't know, the GOP congress under Obama was capable enough to hold/fuck things up just for the hell of it, and Trump can with a single fart undo or at least fuck up any sign of progress ... if it's that easy to do a bad job, or just destroy for destruction's sake, then maybe none of it is worth bothering with. Like, to what end? As long as there are people stupid enough to nihilistically turn the clock back, what is the point if it's relatively easy for them to do so? Because even if the congress and White House went blue, they can't just undo the shit Trump is undoing. What's taking him months to destroy was often the product of years of effort. And even if all the investigations take him down, his replacements are just as bad for all the same reasons. And if all of these investigations don't take him down, then ... seriously, why bother? We're doomed.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link
Trump getting elected period remains just so innately disheartening.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:15 (seven years ago) link
i'm just gonna cast aside any degree of investment in my health and any specific plans for the future. maybe i'll start smoking cigarettes or something. why not?
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link
Because even if the congress and White House went blue, they can't just undo the shit Trump is undoing
be specific, because in many cases they can actually undo the shit he is doing
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
and let's be really clear here - repealing the ACA, pushing through an insane tax cut, building a wall on the Mexican border, etc. - these are all things with horrible, horrible consequences and it is a good thing that they are being stopped.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link