Trump, June 2017: From [Covfefe] with Love

Yeah I don't know anyone whose only beef with Trump is Russiastuff.

It's more like, hit him on all fronts with whatever ammunition comes to hand.

That he's so committed to giving people more reasons to think there's something fishy there (re Russia) is on him.

CNN and MSNBC seem to be covering Russia more than is warranted, and the right has managed to equate those networks with the Democratic Party, so that may explain some of that thinking. I was flipping between the two last night while waiting for the Finals to start and there was plenty of Russia talk even though Paris really should have been the only story.

from what I've read and heard, actual Democratic candidates like Quist and Ossof seem to be wisely leaning very heavy on health care in making their case.

obvs. Quist is past tense now.

Brett Stephens hire was a++++++ NYT... =|

another good one from der spiegel

http://cdn3.spiegel.de/images/image-1149622-640_panofree-qfwb-1149622.jpg

I guess that would be a mistake if ... it were even remotely a possible thing Democrats might do? In fact there seems to be a swarm in all directions, besides Russia a constant stream of "GOP is trying to take away your health insurance" + "Trump is an incompetent idiot whose only policy goal is to be flattered" + "give money to this special election candidate" and "Trump doesn't think climate change is real" etc. and etc. I think they're doing a good job keeping a lot of balls in the air and they're doing a good job focusing on the many aspects in which Trump admin's priorities are broadly unpopular

This is all well and good but at some point they're gonna need to do better in their own platform than "15$ min wage in eight years" (lol) if they want anyone to actually show up

or as Jon Schwarz put it last October

Democrats: "Nothing's free kids we'll never have free healthcare or free college or a living wage or hey how did Trump become president"

— Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) February 20, 2016

make that 2/16

they're gonna need to do better in their own platform than "15$ min wage in eight years" (lol) if they want anyone to actually show up

Why? Trump had nothing except "I'm not like those liberal pansies", and he beat 15 Republicans and a Democrat.

I mean, he did say "everything will be great for you and everyone will have well-paying jobs and be rich and everything will be free," I guess, but he was just lying, but the point can't be "Democrats should lie more," can it?

its pretty safe to say that trump's administration has shattered the belief that lying has consequences

Have you read the Democratic Party's platform?

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

Has anyone?

Yeah, their "reign in Wall Street" angle is super credible.

https://www.rt.com/usa/378616-dnc-votes-corporate-lobby-money/

I guess i'm not sure what point you're making, DJP; is the point that Dem candidates should be talking more loudly about the policy stuff in that platform? To a first approximation it looks pretty similar to what I hear them saying: rich people should pay their share, women should have rights, etc.

oh and the health care language in their platform is bullshit

Trump had his wall with mexico, paid for by mexico. He had his muslim ban and killing the families of isis fighters. He had his bullshit promises about fabulous healthcare for everyone to replace obamacare. He had pulling out of nafta, tpp, and the paris climate accord, and naming china a currency manipulator. Trump had his list of anti-abortion supreme court nominees.

Trump's positions were crap piled on crap as high as he could reach, but they were often very specific, acted like catnip for his base, and he repeated them over and over in simple, clear language.

Why do you think the health care language in their platform is bullshit?

are these guys gonna amount to something or nah? http://www.peoplescoalition.us/peoples-coalition/

For all the niceties about "health care being a right", major establishment Dems like Clinton and Pelosi have actively stated that true universal health care isn't one of the party's goals and/or is never gonna happen. Universal care (as opposed to "universal access") is still, from what I can tell, a fringe goal w/in the party, though hopefully that's changing due to sheer public outrage. xp

Your objection, then, is that health care should be free and the Democratic party does not support that? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Is Trump most useful as a reagent?
Seems to be causing a lot of reactions that might actually eventually get something more positive done.

Er, yeah? xp

("Free" as in paid for by the state, of course, nothing's free)

every day i try to look for positive patterns in all this, like maybe Comey's testimony will knock him down. Or Kushner will get charged with something and flip on his father in law. Or that McKinley had a secretary named Trump and vice versa.

Not even Nordic countries has 'true universal health care', btw.

Trump's campaign holding a 'Pittstburgh not Paris' rally. At Lafayette square. That's dumb.

every day i try to look for positive patterns in all this, like maybe Comey's testimony will knock him down. Or Kushner will get charged with something and flip on his father in law. Or that McKinley had a secretary named Trump and vice versa.

― nomar,

Make arrests. Stir the shitstorm.

Stare into the tv static looking for patterns all you like. In the end, you'll only wind up getting sucked into some paranormal nethervoid in your bedroom closet.

thread here

Is this the time for me to leak the gossip I know about Melania Trump or should I wait. (And I'm serious btw.)

— Monica Byrne (@monicabyrne13) June 1, 2017

tl;dr Donnie is a literal cuck

fwiw, while it is tempting to say that "health care should be free", saying so plays into the hands of opponents of single-payer because ordinary people know health care costs a lot of money and "there is no free lunch". you have to point out it will be paid for, but differently than now.

damn the agreement that if he lost they would get divorced
wild thread

i heard something else about trump from a 100% reliable source... something JUICY and EMBARRASSING... that proves once and for all that he is BAD and NOT GOOD......... this is going to be so amazing, when i reveal this info.... should i do it?????

wow look, trump is toast: woman shuts down Donald with gossip sure to derail his presidency.

still waiting on martin short's damning intel tbh

Gotta get in line behind Tom Arnold and Moby, the Woodward and Bernstein we all need right now.

I have JUICY GOSSIP that Trump RIMMED a BUTTHOLE, it was JUICY.

lol woops I meant tom arnold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tICpOkqS4x0

Confused, why is it bad for Trump is Trump blocks Comey?

v clear precedent that that gambit will fail in court

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Nixon

It held that a claim of Presidential privilege as to materials subpoenaed for use in a criminal trial cannot override the needs of the judicial process, if that claim is based, not on the ground that military or diplomatic secrets are implicated, but merely on the ground of a generalized interest in confidentiality. Nixon was ordered to deliver the subpoenaed materials to the District Court.

Nixon resigned sixteen days later, on August 9, 1974.

trump also wont shut the fuck about his conversations with comey so he's waived that privilege already imo

that too. he fucking tweeted about them!

I have a feeling even if the Justice Department shopped the case to the Court for cert that a clean majority would swat it aside

those are all reasons why he should try to do it.

what does he have to lose Beyond looking bad, whatever that even means anymore.

in the sense that I approve of anything he does that damages his power, yes

xp

makes him look guilty, invites further (in this case, direct and legally germane) parallels to Nixon, would possibly lead to the release of yet more incriminating information, would put the scandal front and center in the headlines (again) etc etc

these are all good outcomes

every second his administration spends on this is a second not spent on moving forward w various horrible policies and legislation. the ideal Trump presidency - for me anyway - is one that is frozen in amber for the duration of the term, paralyzed, mired in shit.

I agree with that, which is why I'd prefer a prolonged clusterfuck over an actual impeachment or resignation