they're gonna need to do better in their own platform than "15$ min wage in eight years" (lol) if they want anyone to actually show up
Why? Trump had nothing except "I'm not like those liberal pansies", and he beat 15 Republicans and a Democrat.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
I mean, he did say "everything will be great for you and everyone will have well-paying jobs and be rich and everything will be free," I guess, but he was just lying, but the point can't be "Democrats should lie more," can it?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
its pretty safe to say that trump's administration has shattered the belief that lying has consequences
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
Have you read the Democratic Party's platform?
https://www.democrats.org/party-platform
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
Has anyone?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, their "reign in Wall Street" angle is super credible.
https://www.rt.com/usa/378616-dnc-votes-corporate-lobby-money/
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link
I guess i'm not sure what point you're making, DJP; is the point that Dem candidates should be talking more loudly about the policy stuff in that platform? To a first approximation it looks pretty similar to what I hear them saying: rich people should pay their share, women should have rights, etc.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
oh and the health care language in their platform is bullshit
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
Trump had his wall with mexico, paid for by mexico. He had his muslim ban and killing the families of isis fighters. He had his bullshit promises about fabulous healthcare for everyone to replace obamacare. He had pulling out of nafta, tpp, and the paris climate accord, and naming china a currency manipulator. Trump had his list of anti-abortion supreme court nominees.
Trump's positions were crap piled on crap as high as he could reach, but they were often very specific, acted like catnip for his base, and he repeated them over and over in simple, clear language.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
Why do you think the health care language in their platform is bullshit?
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
are these guys gonna amount to something or nah? http://www.peoplescoalition.us/peoples-coalition/
― People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
For all the niceties about "health care being a right", major establishment Dems like Clinton and Pelosi have actively stated that true universal health care isn't one of the party's goals and/or is never gonna happen. Universal care (as opposed to "universal access") is still, from what I can tell, a fringe goal w/in the party, though hopefully that's changing due to sheer public outrage. xp
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
Your objection, then, is that health care should be free and the Democratic party does not support that? Or am I misunderstanding you?
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:56 (seven years ago) link
Is Trump most useful as a reagent?Seems to be causing a lot of reactions that might actually eventually get something more positive done.
― Stevolende, Friday, 2 June 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
Er, yeah? xp
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link
("Free" as in paid for by the state, of course, nothing's free)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 2 June 2017 19:01 (seven years ago) link
every day i try to look for positive patterns in all this, like maybe Comey's testimony will knock him down. Or Kushner will get charged with something and flip on his father in law. Or that McKinley had a secretary named Trump and vice versa.
― nomar, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
Not even Nordic countries has 'true universal health care', btw.
Trump's campaign holding a 'Pittstburgh not Paris' rally. At Lafayette square. That's dumb.
― Frederik B, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:07 (seven years ago) link
― nomar,
Make arrests. Stir the shitstorm.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 June 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link
Stare into the tv static looking for patterns all you like. In the end, you'll only wind up getting sucked into some paranormal nethervoid in your bedroom closet.
― Trockasturm Hoar The Ramming Battle Ceraton (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 June 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
thread here
Is this the time for me to leak the gossip I know about Melania Trump or should I wait. (And I'm serious btw.)— Monica Byrne (@monicabyrne13) June 1, 2017
tl;dr Donnie is a literal cuck
― frogbs, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
fwiw, while it is tempting to say that "health care should be free", saying so plays into the hands of opponents of single-payer because ordinary people know health care costs a lot of money and "there is no free lunch". you have to point out it will be paid for, but differently than now.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 2 June 2017 19:14 (seven years ago) link
damn the agreement that if he lost they would get divorcedwild thread
― flappy bird, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link
i heard something else about trump from a 100% reliable source... something JUICY and EMBARRASSING... that proves once and for all that he is BAD and NOT GOOD......... this is going to be so amazing, when i reveal this info.... should i do it?????
― sleepingbag, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:24 (seven years ago) link
wow look, trump is toast: woman shuts down Donald with gossip sure to derail his presidency.
― nomar, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link
still waiting on martin short's damning intel tbh
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 2 June 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link
Gotta get in line behind Tom Arnold and Moby, the Woodward and Bernstein we all need right now.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:38 (seven years ago) link
I have JUICY GOSSIP that Trump RIMMED a BUTTHOLE, it was JUICY.
― Trockasturm Hoar The Ramming Battle Ceraton (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 June 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
lol woops I meant tom arnold
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 2 June 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tICpOkqS4x0
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 June 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
Confused, why is it bad for Trump is Trump blocks Comey?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
v clear precedent that that gambit will fail in court
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Nixon
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
It held that a claim of Presidential privilege as to materials subpoenaed for use in a criminal trial cannot override the needs of the judicial process, if that claim is based, not on the ground that military or diplomatic secrets are implicated, but merely on the ground of a generalized interest in confidentiality. Nixon was ordered to deliver the subpoenaed materials to the District Court.
Nixon resigned sixteen days later, on August 9, 1974.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
trump also wont shut the fuck about his conversations with comey so he's waived that privilege already imo
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 2 June 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
that too. he fucking tweeted about them!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
I have a feeling even if the Justice Department shopped the case to the Court for cert that a clean majority would swat it aside
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 June 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
those are all reasons why he should try to do it.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
what does he have to lose Beyond looking bad, whatever that even means anymore.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
in the sense that I approve of anything he does that damages his power, yes
xp
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
makes him look guilty, invites further (in this case, direct and legally germane) parallels to Nixon, would possibly lead to the release of yet more incriminating information, would put the scandal front and center in the headlines (again) etc etc
these are all good outcomes
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
every second his administration spends on this is a second not spent on moving forward w various horrible policies and legislation. the ideal Trump presidency - for me anyway - is one that is frozen in amber for the duration of the term, paralyzed, mired in shit.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
I agree with that, which is why I'd prefer a prolonged clusterfuck over an actual impeachment or resignation
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 2 June 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link
feel like I've made this point repeatedly here, but whatever. it's my mantra!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
the ideal Trump presidency - for me anyway - is one that is frozen in amber for the duration of the term, paralyzed, mired in shit.
otm
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 2 June 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
and then on his last day in office, he falls down the stairs, wets himself and dies of an incredibly painful brain hemorrhage.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link
falls out of marine 1 ideally tbh
― softie (silby), Friday, 2 June 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
That's why I don't worry about a Pence presidency -- the next three and a half years will consist of Trump as Non in a Phantom Zone.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 June 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link
"Falls" out of Marine One, impaled on Washington Monument.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 June 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
Was talking to someone this morning, and for all the talk of congress supporting him, if he really had their support he'd be a lot more productive, shit ideas or no. There's a delightful irony to the GOP being obstructionist to its own agenda.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 June 2017 20:25 (seven years ago) link
Was talking to someone this morning
Dare I say (for no reason other than randomness) that this reminded me of Paul Stanley's patented stage introduction to "Cold Gin."
"I WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE BACKSTAGE AND THEY TOLD ME...THEY TOOOOOOOOOOOLD ME...THAT SOME OF YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE THINK TRUMP'S BEING PRODUCTIVE!"
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 June 2017 20:26 (seven years ago) link