Trump, June 2017: From [Covfefe] with Love

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Everyone should be legally forced - I said it, forced! - to be licensed before they can drive a truck.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:49 (seven years ago) link

He also did this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/04/donald-trump-lashes-sadiq-khan-london-terror-attacks/

Which has nothing to do with his concern for the victims of the London attack and Londoners in general and everything to do with the fact that Sadiq Khan once called him ignorant. And he's a Muslim. A Muslim who slighted him.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:52 (seven years ago) link

And because he wants people to feel afraid.

jmm, Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:54 (seven years ago) link

instead of wondering why terrorism hasn't ended yet on his watch like he promised

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:55 (seven years ago) link

No, I think it's because a brown skinned man said a bad thing about him.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:56 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, but Trump is basically the one political figure in the world who can be outright ignored at this point. It's clear he's never going to offer anything productive, so fuck him and anything he says.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:56 (seven years ago) link

considering he has followers that say "I haven't investigated it personally, I just trust Trump", I get nervous at any of his attempts at rabblerousing

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:57 (seven years ago) link

Fuck them, too. His followers are pieces of shit.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:58 (seven years ago) link

Man fuck this piece of shit mother fucker! Having a go at the mayor of London? Really? You fucking fuck orange shit stain.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:19 (seven years ago) link

I have never in my life felt more certain that if a particular individual were pushed into a deep pool of hot perchloric acid it would be worthy of a thousand parades and that I would happily help orchestrate each and every one of them.

As a child you can sometimes feel really intense hatred towards fictional arch-villains; that's the closest analogue I can think of, except this worthless sack of shit is real and he won the fucking presidency, and I'm thirty nine years old.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:21 (seven years ago) link

I mean the cruelest curse I can think of most of the time is "I hope you outlive your children" but in this case I don't think it would matter to him, he's such a subhuman worm he'd fucking brag about it if that happened

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:24 (seven years ago) link

Or y'know like Treeship said earlier this week "I have never hated anyone so much" but being concise isn't especially therapeutic for me

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:26 (seven years ago) link

knowing we'll hear from King Fuckstick after each of these things triples the sorrow and dread

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:26 (seven years ago) link

Yeah he is like barely a person. He's disinterested in everything that isn't a momentary ego boost. No larger vision, morality, or awareness of others as autonomous beings and he is the President of the United States.

Treeship, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:27 (seven years ago) link

He sees a terrorist attack and thinks, "how can I leverage this for a cheap insult?"

Treeship, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:28 (seven years ago) link

It's the selective quoting that is so repulsive, Sadiq Khan was trying to reassure people, who are coming to terms with their fellow citizens being mown down and/or stabbed to death, that they shouldn't be alarmed to see an increased security presence on the streets over the next few days and this scumbag twists it... fuck it, I can't even be bothered finishing this pointless sentence, I just wish he was dead basically.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:29 (seven years ago) link

Has he actually generated his outrage for the day, that sounds like a mindless reaction rather than a proactive sui generis thing.

Heard that the executive order for supposed religious freedom was going to have rather heavy consequences in terms of who didn't get things covered by healthcare. Is this a further way of undermining the ACA

Stevolende, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:31 (seven years ago) link

And, if Theresa May has her way I could probably go to prison for that. (xp)

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:31 (seven years ago) link

He sees his own daughter and thinks "I'd fuck that"

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:32 (seven years ago) link

This fucking worthless grease fire is my boss

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:34 (seven years ago) link

I don't know why this week is the one that has put me over the line - from just strongly disliking him, in a sort of abstracted way, because he's going to be responsible for thousands or millions of deaths and he'll never even be able to comprehend his own enormity, to actually wishing painful misfortune would befall him and his family - maybe it's just been cumulative and some unconscious threshold was just met.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:42 (seven years ago) link

This piece of shit is not just an embarrassment to America and a stain on the presidency. He's an embarrassment to humankind. https://t.co/Dl5tMQMhMO

— Reza Aslan (@rezaaslan) June 3, 2017

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:14 (seven years ago) link

Reza Aslan is right... even though he ate human brains that one time.

Treeship, Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link

I don't know why this week is the one that has put me over the line

i also have a sense of crossing a line of rage, and sense it with others too (like Reza just above lol). seems like many people who normally try to be somewhat respectable are being moved to just say "FUCK YOU".

i think maybe it's not the initial line that is being crossed, it's a line beyond that line

Karl Malone, Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:28 (seven years ago) link

lots of people wish for terrible things so that supposedly things will get so bad that we'll be able to set it all on fire and start fresh (or some bullshit), forgetting that things can always get much worse than they already are. in a related way trump is such a fucking scumbag that there's no bottom to it. he'll seemingly hit rock bottom and then drill his way down another half mile until he's evicting the residents of fraggle rock or whatever

Karl Malone, Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:32 (seven years ago) link

The really surprising thing to me is the utter disrespect for Trump coming from other US politicians who oppose him. The forced comity typically granted on Sunday morning talk shows and cable news is not extended to him. This morning John Kerry compared Trump to OJ Simpson on Meet The Press.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:38 (seven years ago) link

Fraggle Rock

Maybe he can get the Dozers to build his fucking bullshit wall.

Zings Can Only Get Better (snoball), Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link

This morning John Kerry compared Trump to OJ Simpson on Meet The Press.

lol, i was wondering how in the world this happened, but it's actually not a bad analogy

"He's going to go out and find a better deal?" Kerry said. "That's like OJ Simpson saying he's going to go find the real killer. Everybody knows he isn't going to do that because he doesn't believe in it. Because if he did believe in it he wouldn't pull out of Paris. American has ceded global leadership on this issue."

Karl Malone, Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link

lol that's a pretty good one, John

nomar, Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:49 (seven years ago) link

this Solnit essay has some echoes with recent posts:
http://lithub.com/rebecca-solnit-the-loneliness-of-donald-trump/

rob, Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link

I'm thankful that Trump has always been and always will be a selfish, impulsive, vindictive, intellectually incurious asshole. If the guy was remotely capable of compromise he'd be truly dangerous. That he can be outright mocked and ignored is largely a boon to us all.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:54 (seven years ago) link

for the life of me I can't understand why people waste column inches psychoanalysing trump. who gives a shit

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:55 (seven years ago) link

because he's the most powerful person in the world and trying to understand how his mind works is both interesting on its own terms and can help us understand how to beat him?

k3vin k., Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link

a really annoying twitter trend among a bunch of the people i follow is this faux-outrage at like every article in a major publication that tries to examine the power dynamics inside the white house or the trump family -- or literally any trump-related subject that isn't a pure spleen vent. like either grow the fuck up or start reading teen vogue exclusively

k3vin k., Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link

he's the most powerful person in the world

He sits on the biggest military arsenal in the world. There's a difference. Actual power - getting other people to do things you want done - is slipping from Trump's grasp day by day.

Was thinking this morning that if Trump economic and other policies continue as they've been going, by year's end, emigration from the US (immigrants returning home, US workers seeking jobs in Europe or elsewhere) might outstrip immigration to the US.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link

the essay is more like a literary analysis than a psychoanalysis (El Tomboto's comment about fictional archvillains is what made me think of it; Solnit interprets him more like a fairy tale character than a psychological subject), but I get not wanting to read anything more about him. Still, the takeaway is what Josh just said: that this preening egomaniac is now the object of mockery at an unprecedented scale, and like unperson just said he doesn't really have the power he thought would be his

rob, Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link

the strange thing about trump's ego is we know he craves approval, which makes the paris accords thing so bizarre (and an indication that he and bannon are increasingly isolated and vindictive). americans supported remaining in the paris agreement by a pretty substantial margin iirc -- even republicans were pretty evenly split, i even think i saw some polls saying a plurality favored remaining

k3vin k., Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link

He craves approval but also relishes a nice cathartic tantrum here and there, multiple times per day.

Treeship, Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link

In time, he will be beaten (assuming the anti-authoritarians aren't right).

What's different with Trump is I want to him to be hurt personally, humiliated in ways he understands. I want "trump" to become synonymous with catastrophic failure born of ignorance and arrogance, I want Russian mobsters to call in the debts of the Trump Org at the bottom of a real estate cycle, I want his children to testify against him, change their names, and go into hiding. I want him to succumb to stroke induced impairment that prevents him from leaving his penthouse, but fully cognizant of the seething contempt in all mentions of his name.

it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:20 (seven years ago) link

Now that you've written it out like that, I want the same thing. Also want Melania to do a teary confessional on schmaltzy tv where she exposes more personally embarrassing details.

brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link

me too plus i want the government to restore pre-reagan taxation (and public investment) levels and call it 'the trump tax', as in, our experiment with voodoo economics produced the trump tragedy

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link

I want to completely forget everything that happened over the past two years.

Treeship, Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link

i want everyone else to forget about the last two years, but i still remember, and then i remind everyone what a bunch of giant assholes they are but they don't know what i'm talking about, but secretly i know i'm right

Karl Malone, Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:44 (seven years ago) link

I get wanting to understand a powerful guy but it's all speculation and none of it is actionable in any way that approaches reality

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:48 (seven years ago) link

i was ambivalent toward the lithub piece but i really liked this LARB article that it linked to, which i missed upon its publication back in march:

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/arendt-matters-revisiting-origins-totalitarianism/

Karl Malone, Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:53 (seven years ago) link

Movements thrive on the destruction of reality. Because the real world confronts us with challenges and obstructions, reality is uncertain, messy, and unsettling. Movements work to create alternate realities that offer adherents a stable and empowering place in the world. Amid economic dislocation and the loss of stable identities, the Nazis’ promise of Aryan superiority is stabilizing. Stalin understood that people would easily overlook lies and mass murder if it were in their interest to do so. Above all, movements promise consistency. Movements “conjure up a lying world of consistency which is more adequate to the needs of the human mind than reality itself.”

Simone Weil wrote that “to be rooted is perhaps the most important and least recognized need of the human soul.” The modern condition of rootlessness is a foundational experience of totalitarianism; totalitarian movements succeed when they offer rootless people what they most crave: an ideologically consistent world aiming at grand narratives that give meaning to their lives. By consistently repeating a few key ideas, a manipulative leader provides a sense of rootedness grounded upon a coherent fiction that is “consistent, comprehensible, and predictable.”

The reason fact-checking is ineffective today — at least in convincing those who are members of movements — is that the mobilized members of a movement are confounded by a world resistant to their wishes and prefer the promise of a consistent alternate world to reality. When Donald Trump says he’s going to build a wall to protect our borders, he is not making a factual statement that an actual wall will actually protect our borders; he is signaling a politically incorrect willingness to put America first. When he says that there was massive voter fraud or boasts about the size of his inauguration crowd, he is not speaking about actual facts, but is insisting that his election was legitimate. “What convinces masses are not facts, and not even invented facts, but only the consistency of the system of which they are presumably part.”

Karl Malone, Sunday, 4 June 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link

Would be good if the lesson could be learned from this administration and in the right way. hate to think that it would be opening the door for further outrages a little down the line where people think that a few tweaks could make the whole thing successful.

Would be good if the population, partially woken up buy having to deal with this specific ogre would remain engaged to the extent taht nothing like this could repeat.

Would be fantastic if it lead to a break away from the standing 2 party system despite itself rather than it being the beacon of change it would like to see itself as. Just hoping that the desire for change that lead to this continuing fiasco was something that could be utilised to much better ends.

Just hoping that immediate aftermath includes the removal of such things as Mitch McConnel who just seems to be an obstruction to anything constructive and has been for years.

Stevolende, Sunday, 4 June 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link

I wish I could use 400 words to say "arguing on facts and merits doesn't work against a totalitarian mindset"

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 June 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link

I like Sanpaku's ideas but gonna stick with acid bath or maybe kerosene-soaked suit, ignited, then crashing out of a skyscraper window

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 June 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link


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