Trump, June 2017: From [Covfefe] with Love

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So here's a legal question from some of you real and fake lawyers. If Trump flat out said in his Lester Holt interview that he fired Comey due to Russia, how is that not an admission of intent? Likewise, if he told the Russians in person on the day after firing Comey that the firing "relieved great pressure," how is that not an admission as well? You can't make the claim that Trump didn't know what he was doing if the day or days after he flat out says why he did it in the most incriminating way.

On that second point, the White House never denied how he was quoted in the Russia meeting, right? Why not? Was there a recording/transcript? Usually they push back with "that is privileged, private information" or "the report is fake" or something like that, but they never did that, did they?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 12:33 (six years ago) link

OK, Trump's had his morning shot of meth:

You are witnessing the single greatest WITCH HUNT in American political history - led by some very bad and conflicted people! #MAGA

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 15, 2017

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 15 June 2017 12:34 (six years ago) link

He's totally going to fire Mueller, isn't he?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 12:35 (six years ago) link

well, yeah

I still think the perfect ironic twist to all this would be the discovery that actual witches conspired in his downfall. Like he made a deal with a devil and it's time to collect. Or hey, maybe a twofer, with the ghost of Rasputin dragging him down.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 12:42 (six years ago) link

Anyway, I still think Salem was the single greatest witch hunt in American history, followed by McCarthyism, but reasonable people can disagree.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 12:44 (six years ago) link

i think you could make a pretty good case that trump's enthusiastic embrace of birtherism was a milestone in a more recent witch hunt

Trump's going to started tweeting about voodoo dolls soon

President Keyes, Thursday, 15 June 2017 12:48 (six years ago) link

When I was a kid you just assumed that our witch hunts were just going to be greater than the ones our parents had. But sadly they mostly suck now.

President Keyes, Thursday, 15 June 2017 12:51 (six years ago) link

This is the first American generation whose witch hunts will not be better than their parents' witch hunts.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:30 (six years ago) link

This isn't your grandmother's witch hunt

Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:35 (six years ago) link

It's Witch Hunt XTREME

Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:35 (six years ago) link

The greatest witch hunts are actually some groundbreaking stuff being done in Brooklyn. You probably haven't heard of it.

croque monsoon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:43 (six years ago) link

Elsewhere

Breaking: CNN is suing the FBI in federal court -- seeking copies of the Comey memos. @gregorywallace story here https://t.co/RWE0nDu6lC

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) June 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:43 (six years ago) link

I don't follow why CNN has the right to them. Or rather, they have a right to publish them, but I don't see how/why they can force anyone to give them to CNN. Trump's tax returns are not classified, either, and CNN can't demand them from the IRS, right?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:46 (six years ago) link

Yeah now all of a sudden I'm wondering something. Salem is on the ocean. One presumes that some of its colonial-era citizens sometimes engaged in fishing, whether for their livelihood or just to augment their food supply.

Could some of them simultaneously participated in a witch hunt AND a fishing expedition? That would be kind of awesome.

croque monsoon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:46 (six years ago) link

Ask this guy:
http://www.ifi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/witchfinder-LG.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:47 (six years ago) link

Goddam it. I blame witches.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:48 (six years ago) link

more like the lying conniving bastards hunt

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 15 June 2017 13:59 (six years ago) link

As I understood it Salem was actually set up initially as a shelter and supply base for fishing fleets that also worked as a base for the puritans who found Europe and the Uk overly tolerant. So there was always a more secular element to the population.
Think the 2 factions lived slightly separated but not everybody there was the puritan of historical stereotype.

Stevolende, Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link

Okay. We've had our fun. Now let's get back to the things that Americans REALLY care about.

croque monsoon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:22 (six years ago) link

Benghazi iirc

croque monsoon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:23 (six years ago) link

otm

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:29 (six years ago) link

Fast and Furious

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:29 (six years ago) link

Chappaquiddick

croque monsoon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link

Communist in Hollywood

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:32 (six years ago) link

people continually say firing mueller would be a horrible move for him, that just seems like wishful thinking. i'm sure he'd get away with it, much like he has with every other act of malfeasance his entire life

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link

fidget spinners, whatever the fuck they are

xp

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link

people continually say firing mueller would be a horrible move for him, that just seems like wishful thinking. i'm sure he'd get away with it, much like he has with every other act of malfeasance his entire life

only one way to know for sure!

For morbz

http://www.aveleyman.com/Gallery/ActorsB/833-19636.jpg

croque monsoon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:35 (six years ago) link

At the Drive-In somehow re-formed

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Thursday, 15 June 2017 14:35 (six years ago) link

surprised trump hasn't tried to claim credit for that too

AT LAST.

"A former senior official said Mr. Mueller's investigation was looking at money laundering by Trump associates," a source told the Times. "The suspicion is that any cooperation with Russian officials would most likely have been done in exchange for some kind of financial payoff, and that there would have been an effort to hide the payoffs, most likely by routing them through offshore banking centers." A separate investigation into Russia has also reportedly focused on potential use of offshore banking centers to launder money. In April, House Intelligence Committee member Rep. Mike Quigley (D-IL) visited Cyprus, which "has a reputation as a laundromat for the Russians who are trying to avoid sanctions."

I'm tired of "collusion" as shorthand for what may have happened b/w Trump and Russia; it allows Republicans to swat aside suggestions that Putin conspired to put Trump in the White House in exchange for favorable treatment. The real story is how deeply Trump was in debt and how badly he needed laundered Russian dough.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link

jings

Yes, exactly, Alfred.

Trump on phone to Rod Rosenstein in 5....4....3....2....

Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 15 June 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link

There is no way he is capable of letting this investigation play out.

Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 15 June 2017 15:24 (six years ago) link

Odds on the Deputy Attorney General NOT resigning by August 1?

Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 15 June 2017 15:25 (six years ago) link

seriously though what would be the next step if he did fire Mueller, in terms of getting someone to run an investigation without being (for lack of a better term) obstructed via getting fired?

nomar, Thursday, 15 June 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link

I've never quite bought the idea that the transaction was like "Da, Donald, in exchange for favorable deeplomatic treatment. ve vill sow dissension in Democrat ranks by obtaining and releasing internal email chainz showing how much ze Klinton establishment fucked Bernie over. Zis will surely drive an unbridgeable wedge between centrist and left-leaning Democrats, thereby depressing left-populist turnout in key upper-Midvest states, ensuring your glorious viktory."

The number of people whose voting decisions were clearly, demonstrably influenced based on those pysops (and nothing else) seems like it would be negligible.

We need trunks full of rubles. Ballots in a landfill. Everything else is speculative.

croque monsoon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 June 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link

how long did it take you to write that impersonation

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link

Alfred - starting from your post at 11:18 ET? About one minute.

The subsequent nine minutes were spent fiddling with the spelling to make it sound more like Bad Spy Movie Russian Pronunciation.

Some artistry cannot be rushed.

croque monsoon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 June 2017 15:39 (six years ago) link

Da!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link

Not good: 50% of the CEOs, execs, gov officials surveyed at the annual Yale CEO Summit give Trump an "F" so far https://t.co/97bDRCfgtF

— Heather Long (@byHeatherLong) June 15, 2017

the people who gradually wrecked the country don't approve of the man accelerating their project https://t.co/HwGL3Tsn9o

— slackbot (@pareene) June 15, 2017

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 June 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link


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