By Hera! Come anticipate the WONDER WOMAN movie with me!

Yes the emotional side of this was what I was trying to get to in my praise. The filmmaking is pretty classical in my opinion, notes sustained just long enough, just timed right, the action, the contemplative scenes in the village at night, by the fireplace, it's very good at moving you along, letting you reflect, there is a clear-eyedness to it, but yes, mostly, it's the earnestness of the two main characters that makes it sing for me, and as I said, the boldness of allowing something that might be a bit corny and naive to take center stage.

I really did like the moment where WW is struggling to accept that humans are just garbage people and not purely tools of Aries because it was an earnest moment.

imo she did the transitions between disbelief to heartbreak to rage just right as the movie progressed and she learned more about the "real" world and the flawed humans in it.

blah, poor phrasing there but you get the idea I hope

yeah I thought it was paced well.

not saying it was a perfect movie (the sexual jokes were cringeworthy), but considering what dumpster fires the other DC franchise films were, I'm kinda surprised at the lukewarm reaction here.

It felt closer to a MU movie than DCU

I believe I used the phrase "surprisingly touching" after we saw it

Here's a positive article about how it succeeded in knowing what to do with Steve Trevor
https://dorisvsutherland.wordpress.com/2017/06/05/wonder-woman-the-best-steve-trevor/

i'm generally not a big fan of the "it works despite its flaws" genre of art criticism and thought this was pretty much maudlin trash but i'm glad it was meaningful to other people

This movie ruled.

fwiw I did a podcast with an OG WW fan and she felt v simikarly

wtf how old is she?!

So I still want to know, can WW be shot or blown up? Is she immortal?

If only a God can kill a God, I guess not? I assume some cheesy line is incoming with Justice league and presumably Darkseid.

Yes WW is immortal (except for magic, losing her powers etc)

wtf how old is she?!

I wasn't using OG literally, I just meant...long-term, and hardcore. she's about 40 iirc

whose runs does she like?

Are the other Amazons immortal? Clearly not, because they were easily shot and killed. Well, relatively easily. And yet, they seemed be able to live hundreds of years, at least on that island. Is it a magic Island?

Oh idk about the movie i'm talking comics. Also immortal /= invulnerable

While not completely invulnerable, she is highly resistant to great amounts of concussive force and extreme temperatures and matches Superman[citation needed] in this[clarification needed] regard. Although, edged weapons or projectiles applied with sufficient force are able to pierce her skin.[101][106] Due to her divine origins, Diana can resist many forms of magical manipulation.

Interesting detail

https://io9.gizmodo.com/wonder-woman-actor-says-chief-is-actually-a-demi-god-1796389983

I need to see this movie

I read that elsewhere, very cool detail

And yes Tombot, you need to see this movie

saw this today, thought it was great, much to my delight and surprise. patty jenkins has broken snyder's deathgrip on dc movies - long may her influence be felt in the dcu

gal gadot and chris pine have great chemistry, and gadot is, totally unexpectedly, really good at projecting compassion and strength physically and otherwise. she's got a really kind-looking face, i think?

i was also taken aback by how moving it was to see a mainstream blockbuster featuring a bunch of totally confident and capable women not just kicking ass but like being supportive of each other too. it's 2017 ffs, it really shouldn't be a surprising or remarkable thing, but yeah it is and i was pleased and grateful for it.

i hope a lot of little girls and young women see it!

one more thing: diana as a character in this is totally committed to doing the right thing and standing up for the weak and the vulnerable. that's really a cool thing to see and it shows up even more what a dickhead snyder is for turning superman into an angsty dipshit who treats saving people with total disdain

i'd probably feel that way too if my dad killed himself to save the fucking dog

patriarchy vs matriarchy

I was all about GG when she first showed up in the fourth Fast Furious movie. she's amazing.

i thought she was terrible in the f&f movies tbh (and not great in bats vs supes either) but i really liked her in this. i assume patty jenkins' directorial style suits her better than snyder's too

Re: the earnestness or cheesiness.

I don't think Marvel films current brand of humor is much better than DC's grimdark. They both can feel like a reaction of embarrassment about old fashioned superheroes.

Never seen Wonder Woman but this video is so bang on the money on many points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-QhdzQo66o

Buffy and Angel certainly had their good moments but I generally dislike Whedon and his followers for some of this stuff.

Reminds me on this Le Guin review of a Gaiman book.

What finally left me feeling dissatisfied is, paradoxically, the pleasant, ingratiating way in which he tells it. These gods are not only mortal, they’re a bit banal. They talk a great deal, in a conversational tone that descends sometimes to smart-ass repartee. This chattiness will be familiar to an audience accustomed to animated film and graphic narrative, which have grown heavy with dialogue, and in which disrespect is generally treated as a virtue. But it trivialises, and I felt sometimes that this vigorous, robust, good-natured version of the mythos gives us everything but the very essence of it, the heart.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/29/norse-myths-by-neil-gaiman-review

Fuck chatty smartass dialogue

rmde

Not agree with that video?

does she need to rhde again?

It doesn't spend a lot of time talking about Wonder Woman but I thought it was very complimentary about Jenkins approach.

great discussion

anyway if i had an 11 year old daughter i would take her to see this, i'm glad it exists. i guess for me the movie couldn't really decide what it wanted to be, it seemed a bit suggestive and dark for kids, but as an adult there was just too much that was hard to get on board with. run of the mill special effects and choreography, one dimensional characters, and enough awkward acting and directing moments to keep me distracted (when the aunt died and her finals words were like "you must...you must...*dies*" i actually felt embarrassed for whoever put in the effort to write that death scene)
i did think the final third was ok, tho

xxpost rmde @ "i havent seen the movie that ppl seem to like but i completely agree with this otm takedown " is the laziest most played-out ilx trope. at this point it's practically a posting template so forgive me for not weighing yr thoughts more heavily

That video isn't a takedown. It's pro-Wonder Woman.

He argues that recent superhero movies tend to undercut sincerity with comedy due to lack of confidence in the material, whereas WW doesn't do this.

well see i was parodying i uh well

anyway

hi

:D

Bathos is one of those words I kept forgetting the meaning of and I wish I had memorized, because it's pretty good.

i'm generally not a big fan of the "it works despite its flaws" genre of art criticism

― k3vin k., Sunday, 18 June 2017 17:36

Not sure what you mean by this. That's how I'd describe like 80% of worthwhile things. Working despite substantial flaws. Like most of my favourite films kinda suck ass.

Without going quite as far as Robert, I am curious whether kevin is setting out to only defend perfect things. Or is it that good things must work because of their flaws, that they acknowledge the flaws and work them into the material?

I think it's more that the flaws in "good" things are not large enough to deserve mention

it's like if you find dog shit in your seven layer dip and you say "man the dip was still delicious despite the poop I accidentally ate"

(fwiw Wonder Woman was awesome tho)

I mostly expect shit to be in the dip and only have 2 layers.

Most films that I love really only do two or three things exceedingly well and they get by on that.

I am a father of a six month old little girl, and someone who from 7-15 years of age thought about little else other than Marvel and DC.

The beginning moments in the film when lil Diana runs around Themiscyria, cheering on her sister Amazons, being free, vital, strong and having fun created instant waterworks for me. Nothing else topped that…

And I am grateful there was no "WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS AND THAT WITH THIS BELOVED CHARACTER/MYTHOS" geek bait in the movie. Don't get it was set in WWI insteada WWII, but don't much care. Walking out, my wife said "So that steve guy isn't going to become Captain America?" NO NO NO WW IS IN THE DC UNIVERSE……… "Sorry dude, I can't keep straight which universe every character is supposed to be in. Both actors are blonde hunky dudes named Chris."

Of interest

http://kotaku.com/wonder-womans-giant-painting-is-a-modern-masterpiece-1796440542

omg <3

They are really nice pastiches, I have to say.

Oddly (?) enough, the background/exposition bits in the recent DCEU stuff has always been pretty great. Thinking also of the bit in MoS where Jor-el is explaining Krypton's history, about 1:20 in in this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5bB96Mwidc

This movie was a lot of fun. I am extremely impressed they actually got me to like Chris Pine!

we talked a lot afterwards about how absolutely on point the casting was, ESPECIALLY Gal Gadot being an IDF veteran, because the accent works perfectly and because all of her main character beats are totally classic Jewish Lady