Gosh do these people have no fellow feeling for those affected by the results of this bill?
they sure do! they're excited to end the theft-by-taxes afflicting our blessed *job creators*
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 19 June 2017 11:55 (six years ago) link
I thought once they have their Mystery Bill, they plan to pass it in TWO days?
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), 19. juni 2017 13:53 (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
But they still need a CBO review. Which takes at least a week. Which means... this Thursday to the CBO at the very very latest, in order to get it passed by June 30th.
― Frederik B, Monday, 19 June 2017 12:08 (six years ago) link
This seems like exactly the sort of thing they should rush in secret.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 June 2017 12:10 (six years ago) link
Pushback was pretty significant and effective last time. How in the world does anybody defend their vote on anything assembled in secret with no public debate? Last time they boasted they hadn't read the bill. This time, dozens of people haven't even seen it.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 June 2017 12:11 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Q72qYWxKQ
― 龜, Monday, 19 June 2017 12:12 (six years ago) link
"Either way sounds like a revolting thing to try to do. Gosh do these people have no fellow feeling for those effected by the results of this bill?"
If there are enough loopholes and procedural wonky BS then basically there are in effect no rules at all and they can do whatever they can scheme up in their Legion of Doom HQ
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Monday, 19 June 2017 12:12 (six years ago) link
just saw a report that the Republicans are considering cancelling a chunk of their summer vacation to work on their agenda. Summer school!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 June 2017 12:13 (six years ago) link
a whole party of irmfried eberls
― Frank Ocean is the Ultimate Solution (rushomancy), Monday, 19 June 2017 12:35 (six years ago) link
But they were supposed to have their agenda done by now... Things aren't going according to plan, not for McConnell either, is all I'm saying. He will still do a fuckton of damage, of course.
― Frederik B, Monday, 19 June 2017 12:48 (six years ago) link
According to an article I read last week (VOX?), keeping the bill out of sight has also quashed domestic opposition – or so the GOP hopes.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 June 2017 12:56 (six years ago) link
How hard can it be to hammer out an agenda that was so neatly summarized by Axl in the chorus of 'Civil War'?
― I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 June 2017 12:57 (six years ago) link
Well, even with all the secrecy, CBO guidance, and a House bill to work from, they've been working for a month and a half and it has to be done really really soon.
― Frederik B, Monday, 19 June 2017 13:35 (six years ago) link
and it will be! never fear! the kochs, the mercers, the scaifes, the bradleys, the de voses -- all the real people, represented by ALEC -- want tax cuts, and tax cuts they shall get! if 20,000,000 people lose healthcare, if 1,000,000s are subject again to medical bankruptcy, oh well -- small price for freedom and progress!
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 19 June 2017 13:51 (six years ago) link
Hahahah Jason Chaffetz suddenly feels bold all of a sudden as he preps the exit
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jason-chaffetz-slams-trump_us_59475dc5e4b01eab7a2eacc0
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 June 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
"almost as bad as obama" lol fuck that asshole, can't even get a dig at donald trump without being a piece of shit about it
― marcos, Monday, 19 June 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
he needs to fire the IRS chief, see
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 June 2017 14:02 (six years ago) link
Gotta keep that sweet gig at Fox News (I assume).
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 June 2017 14:02 (six years ago) link
https://www.upguard.com/breaches/the-rnc-files oooof
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 19 June 2017 14:19 (six years ago) link
The RNC Files: Inside the Largest US Voter Data Leak
In what is the largest known data exposure of its kind, UpGuard’s Cyber Risk Team can now confirm that unsecured databases containing the sensitive personal details of over 198 million American voters was left exposed to the internet by a firm working on behalf of the Republican National Committee (RNC) in their efforts to elect Donald Trump. The data, which was stored in a publicly accessible cloud server owned by Republican data firm Deep Root Analytics, included 1.1 terabytes of entirely unsecured personal information compiled by DRA and at least two other Republican contractors, TargetPoint Consulting, Inc. and Data Trust. In total, the personal information of potentially near all of America’s 200 million registered voters was exposed, including names, dates of birth, home addresses, phone numbers, and voter registration details, as well as data described as “modeled” voter ethnicities and religions.
Worth a read, to say the least.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 19 June 2017 14:19 (six years ago) link
LOCK THEM UP
― cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 June 2017 14:25 (six years ago) link
If 198 million is accurate, that's probably every registered voter.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php
― El Tomboto, Monday, 19 June 2017 14:53 (six years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/7d74f51112d39f00a8a80f0e19422621/tumblr_mgq64xOv6b1rt8i4vo1_500.gif
― cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 June 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link
that should be a maga cap rly, but it's the best i can do
― cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 June 2017 14:59 (six years ago) link
tbf a lot of that data is already publicly available right?
― marcos, Monday, 19 June 2017 15:00 (six years ago) link
if it wasn't before it sure is now
― cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 June 2017 15:01 (six years ago) link
in the future, everyone will have all of the data, this is actually a natural step towards full communism and was predicted by marx
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Monday, 19 June 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
yet more evidence of this administration's commitment to being the most radically transparent in history (by mistake)
― cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 June 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile the health industry is resigned to the repeal of the ACA.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 June 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
How in the world does anybody defend their vote on anything assembled in secret with no public debate?
they wrote behind closed doors w lobbyists for the original ACA bill 8 years ago so may as well do it again. is it past or is it future? between this and the "witch hunt" language and lawyer media circus ripped right from 1996 the past is repeating faster and faster. just like circling a drain.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 19 June 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/06/yes-of-course-the-senate-health-care-bill-is-as-mean-as-the-house-bill/
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 19 June 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link
Lol Adam, it's not at all the same.
― Frederik B, Monday, 19 June 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
hey wrote behind closed doors w lobbyists for the original ACA bill 8 years ago so may as well do it again
and the bill was debated and pieced together in over hundreds of hours of public forums. You'd turn on CSPAN randomly in the afternoon and there would be yet another hearing.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 June 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
the idea of appending a substitute amendment to a bill which would be changed at the last minute
I think this tactic even has a name: gut and stuff.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 19 June 2017 16:04 (six years ago) link
Well, here we are.
Here's how one conservative House staffer described waiting for the Senate health care bill. How others are feeling: https://t.co/3nFH4ZakxP pic.twitter.com/r8mz35iuCL— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) June 19, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 June 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
And also you know that going to see the new Star Wars movies is going to result in the preventable deaths of thousands of people but you go anyway because Star Wars!
― I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 June 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
was the house version of this the prequels then, i guess?
― Karl Malone, Monday, 19 June 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
jfc
― Nhex, Monday, 19 June 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
wait...so was the actual obamacare the original trilogy, then? what a weird metaphor. this conservative house staffer needs to rethink things
― Karl Malone, Monday, 19 June 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
my brain hurts
― marcos, Monday, 19 June 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
If McConnell uses reconciliation, then the bill can't increase the deficit, therefore he'll HAVE to keep the House tax cuts.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 June 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
welp
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/19/democrats-stop-senate-business-obamacare-239715
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 June 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
yes
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 June 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
idk if it will accomplish much tbh
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 June 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
but when you don't have many avenues of power open to you, whadayagonnado
Expose the bill, get protestors riled up.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 June 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link
Don't understand this argument; removing the House tax cut decreases the deficit. The tax cut is the goal, it's the benefit cuts that reconciliation forces him to keep.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 19 June 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
genuinely glad to see some spine here
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 19 June 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
the problem is it won't actually affect McConnell's timetable, it'll just piss the GOP off. Which is fine but it doesn't accomplish much.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 June 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
keeps the base happy tho
― 龜, Monday, 19 June 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
― Guayaquil (eephus!),
That's what I was trying to say – the second sentence. Thanks.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 June 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link