I have answered all your questions. yr own yr own now.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
frederik, americans can be assholes (even senators) and enjoy pulling power plays and fucking with people's heads. we (sort of) elected a bully. think bully tactics when the cruelty of our politics confuse you
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
he got his 51 votes, he lets details leak, which is essentially a shot across the bow to shakier committed votes saying "you said you would vote 'yes', now I'm calling your vote in and if you screw me and change yr vote EVERYONE will know it's because of you and your faithless betrayal of me and my party btw I will murder your career if you do this"
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:12 (six years ago) link
it is not particularly mysterious
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
Yeah, but the thing is, you're wrong.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
"The president clearly wants a bill that has heart in it."
I'm sure there's heart in it. Probably snouts. And I'm guessing rodent feces as well. The best sausage, the greatest.
― smug dinner-jazz atrocity (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
The idea of a vote before June 30th came long before this week's leaks. That is, long before you say he got the votes.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
Maybe we just wait and see what happens? I think they have the votes now, but one or two waverers could be peaked off once CBO details are out.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
2017: ACA repeal2018: Dems take House, Trump agenda crippled2020: Trump loses re-election bid, President Harris/Franken/Gillibrand/Warren takes office, Dems get at least 51-seat majority in the Senate2021: Single-payer
lol
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
Thats Americans - the real Klignons
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
hey I said "optimal" not "likely"
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
Hm hm hm
NEWS: Senate Russia investigators promised access to key Treasury data from FinCEN - https://t.co/qFTZAVjDaz https://t.co/HleUUr2Hf3— Tom LoBianco (@tomlobianco) June 20, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
""This morning, Treasury briefed me on documents that are being transmitted to the Senate. I believe these documents will be sufficient to start following the money.""
some reall deep thrt stuff now
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
Wacky fun!
Does the president believe Russia interfered in 2016 campaign? Spicer: "I have not sat down and talked with him about that specific thing."— Paul Sonne (@PaulSonne) June 20, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
Meantime, great.
While I greatly appreciate the efforts of President Xi & China to help with North Korea, it has not worked out. At least I know China tried!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 20, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
2021: Single-payer
Too many sitting senators learned their political truisms in earlier battles over health care and would be unwilling to put their careers on the line against the insurance companies and their ability to propagate irrational fear through calculated misinformation.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
At least I know China tried! Katy Lied
― rogan josh hashana (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:41 (six years ago) link
a lot's gonna happen between now and 2021 Aimless, incl single-payer in California.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
happy for you
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
in a nutshell!
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/09/paul-ryan-fundraised-with-health-insurance-lobbying-firm-just-before-his-powerpoint/
our bribed government
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
not frustrated enough to vote against it though riiiiiiite?
Mike Lee, a member of the Senate health care working group, says in a video he doesn't know what's in the bill and is frustrated w/ process pic.twitter.com/xjpSj48M9C— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) June 20, 2017
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
"concerned""troubled""frustrated"
― marcos, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
"voting yes"
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
it's like they're begging their constituents to pressure them and give them an out but it isn't happening
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
yep
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
In which case...I'm almost amused.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link
Josh Marshall otm:
This is sort of a subchapter of what I discussed in my last post about ‘policy literalism’. It is not only that the ‘GOP moderates always cave.’ It is that we are asked to (and almost always do) indulge this fainting couch routine or a furious bout of chin stroking that comes as a prelude to the cave.
If Capito doesn’t get that this was part of the plan all along she’s literally a fool since this has been a publicly discussed goal from the git-go. This is almost to a certainty a safety-net version of what wingnuts now commonly call “virtue-signaling”, in this case a staged demonstration or interlude put on for effect to soften the blow of signing onto the policy outcomes that are frankly unconscionable. In other words, virtue-signaling but virtue-signaling in bad faith.
This isn’t negotiating or putting a foot down. It’s play acting. It is so consistent, routine and predictable that it needs to be reported as such. Much like hiding behind the lack of a legislative text, on the off chance Sen Capito is serious, she should do something to make that clear. Otherwise, it’s just a yarn, just more nonsense to hide the ball and pave the way for the preordained outcome.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
― rogan josh hashana (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:41 PM (forty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
china tried, i was halfway crucified
― black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
are you with me, Dr. Bornsteinare you really just a shadow of the man that I once knew?Are you crazy, are you high?Or just an ordinary guy?
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjewishbusinessnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F12%2Fharold-bornstein-Doctor-Trump.jpg&f=1
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
i kind of love this rogue's gallery of new york city fossils we've gotten to know over the past two years.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
I read "just a yarn" above as "Otherwise, it’s just a yam."
― smug dinner-jazz atrocity (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link
Hmm
I'm hearing at least 7 no's coming out of the lunch: Capito, Collins, Cruz, Lee, Murkowski, Paul, Sasse. Heller, Cassidy, Portman undecided. https://t.co/xrFtqXk1Yk— Topher Spiro (@TopherSpiro) June 20, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link
Like i said, i dont trust anyone who goes by Topher
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
Oh fuck, that's my middle name as well :(
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
But if that's true mcconnell has made a huge fuckup
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
Lol fred xp
Meantime, the hilarity continues
Nat'l Law Journal: Jeff Sessions has lawyered up. He's retained the well-known GOP lawyer Chuck Cooper. https://t.co/ijIu269XVH— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 20, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
Has he been called in to have a classified briefing after his reluctance to speak last week. The 2 people he was apparently copying have both now done closed sessions.I think its time Sessions was closed of course. pretty disgusting that he's still remaining in the role of head lawman in the country when he seems to have little respect for the law.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link
it's a very stupid situation
― Treeship, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
all of it
xxpost He has a lot of respect for pre-1954 law
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
Gotta keep in line...
noticed Trump lawyer @JaySekulow's son and radio co-host @JordanSekulow deleted this old tweet https://t.co/HeziV4BFuB pic.twitter.com/40HJfylXVY— andrew kaczynski 🤔 (@KFILE) June 20, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
If Pence separates himself from Trump, resigns or anything is the Republican party going to support any attempt by him to run for President? I thought all of his being VP had to do with Trump and he was otherwise a pretty unpopular Senator.Or is him having been VP enough to make him candidatorial or whatever the word is.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link
that's his SON?
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link
what is it w/ young-ish conservatives and their weird fat heads? (Jones, Erickson, et al)
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 21:02 (six years ago) link
New poll has Trump to 36% approval. I'm really not sure what will push him much further down short of following through on his threat and starting to shoot supporters one at a time.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 21:17 (six years ago) link
Senator "troubled" by reports of Trump massacre
― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link
it's been lower (just). there's nothing to stop it dropping further. you'd have to be very confident to look at https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ and say it couldn't go any lower.
there's been a big drop in the number of people that "strongly approve" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/06/07/strong-approval-of-trump-is-fading-across-a-number-of-demographics/), which means there are more persuadable people when events turn against him.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
But what would do that beside sheer exhaustion at this point? Like I said, they know he's pushing for a shitty health bill and a shitty tax cut which will both have countless negative repercussions. Are his supporters just hanging around to see if those things will be as bad as everyone says?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link