they are tribal. if you are not part of their tribe, they not only don't give a shit what happens to you -- they're amused by your suffering
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― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link
Re the discussion of aide sleuthery above: I live in Boston and have a 917 number. Cell phones have changed the "area codes are infallible" thing in a big way.
― maura, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link
I wonder if they made it flawed on purpose just so they can say they tried because really they realize its in their interests for there to be NO REPEAL
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link
we elect these people to make complex laws that they can't even comprehend and I don't trust them
fixed that for you mh
― maura, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:09 (six years ago) link
meanwhile, deja vu ghraib
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ap-us-questions-detainees-yemen-prisons-torture-abuses/
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
I see someone's already nervous about next year.
Sen. Heller on Sebate GOP health care draft: "At first glance, I have serious concerns..." pic.twitter.com/l5TvIOfsMu— Phil Mattingly (@Phil_Mattingly) June 22, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link
I mean...what's even their long game here? How do they plan on dealing with furious constituents whose loved ones are dropping dead (the ones who can put two and two together, anyway, and know who's responsible)?
― I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
i wouldn't feel secure about this thing not passing unless there were at least a half-dozen senators willing to put a No out there right now. otherwise (as has been pointed out in multiple places), McConnell is just going to make minor tweaks as a sop to the holdouts so they can act like they won some great victory for their constituents by "forcing" a slightly slower repeal of Medicaid expansion or undoing the block on federal funding for Planned Parenthood, etc.
― evol j, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
But if they make tweaks, won't the CBO have to score those as well? And they only have until next friday to do this...
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
prevent them from voting
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
as I said elsewhere, so-called moderate Republicans are polite because they have the patience to wait and name their price.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
"fixed that for you mh"
touche
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link
this is a good question, idk the answer.
― evol j, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link
this is hard to watch:
pic.twitter.com/4LrlZKgYeO— Andrew Desiderio (@desiderioDC) June 22, 2017
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
But if they make tweaks, won't the CBO have to score those as well?
I think as long as an initial version of the bill has been scored that's all that's required to make the bill eligible for a vote...?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
well, this takes care of one very concerned and troubled moderate:
What's in the bill: The bill would establish a $2 billion fund for states for programs to "support substance use disorder treatment and recovery support services for individuals with mental or substance use disorders."
What it means: This is a one-time fund for 2018, but will likely be favored by senators from states hit hard by the opioid crisis. This was a key ask from Ohio Sen. Rob Portman.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
never really considered Portman a swing vote on this tbh
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
everyone knows it only takes one year to cure an entire state of chemical dependency
― evol j, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
we should get Portman on opioids, put him on treatment, and check back in a year.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link
just give him a hot shot and get it over with
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
Portman is no moderate anyway and never was.
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
He broke with GOP orthodoxy after his son came out, maybe we can get that same son addicted to fentanyl.
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link
A handy history of GOP villainy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/22/republicans-obamacare-repeal-would-be-one-of-the-biggest-cuts-to-the-social-safety-net-in-history/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_wonkblog-1155am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.9687580cad6e
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
trump tweets that he has no tapes. tweet clearly written by a lawyer, and posted today to distract from healthcare.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
but are there high quality .wav files
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:06 (six years ago) link
best listened to on PONO
― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
Portman asked for 45 billion over 10 years, he is selling his vote for nothing.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link
These people are monsters.
― Treeship, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
that's like a rounding error
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
yeah I still dont get this logic - in order to deliver on a promise to our base we have to pass a "health care" bill that thoroughly fucks over our base
I guess the real 'base' is their donors. democracy is awesome.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
This bill is an act of mass murder targeting poor and working class people. It's just a less baroque version of "the purge." There should be riots.
― Treeship, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link
in unrelated news, this fuckin guy
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/trump-confirms-he-wants-a-solar-border-wall-were-working-it-out
― sleeve, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
A very 'drafted by a lawyer' two-tweet message here.
With all of the recently reported electronic surveillance, intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, I have no idea...— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 22, 2017
...whether there are "tapes" or recordings of my conversations with James Comey, but I did not make, and do not have, any such recordings.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 22, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
All the inside baseball scheming shit the "moderate Republicans" are doing is a disgusting and stupid farce.
― Treeship, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
No such thing as a moderate Republican.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
Hence the quotation marks
― Treeship, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
Appropriate for Trump's tweets up there too.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
BTW, we should all remember this chain of events:
Trump fires ComeyTrump sasses on Twitter re 'tapes'Comey goes, "Yeah, leak time."*shenanigans*Rosenstein appoints Mueller
Well done there.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
Donald Trump is most likely clinically incapable of feeling empathy and even he, for a moment, acknowledged that this bill is fucked up.
― Treeship, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
I would bet good money that Trump was just aping something someone else said to him. The fuck does he care if the bill is mean?
― I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
Maybe. I hope bad things happen to him.
― Treeship, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
I would think he sorta understands he is breaking a key promise, but he def doesn't care this bill will kill.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link
jfc w h o c a r e s what he thinks or what his motivations are
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
why would a sound recording be any kind of evidence anyway since such a thing could easily be doctored, edited etc with no way of knowing - any idiot with garageband coudl already make a trump comey tape spliced together
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
lifting the restrictions on healthcare ceo pay is some fuckin bullshit good job gop
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:51 (six years ago) link
FWIW
Cruz, Lee, Paul, Johnson announce they're not ready to vote for health bill: pic.twitter.com/NvF2q3OsTl— John McCormack (@McCormackJohn) June 22, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
'there are provisions in this draft that represent an improvement to our current health care system,' GTFO
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link
opposition is opposition, I will take it. Maybe they will even get to make the bill worse, which will drive moderates away...
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
(sorry forgot standard "moderate" scare quotes there)
Paul is probably the best bet here, he seems like the only one potentially crazy enough to hold out even if he could be the deciding vote.
― evol j, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link