The stars turn: the TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread

The black lodge is the red room.

isn't it the waiting room? i suppose it could also be both (or neither)

The man from another place calls it the waiting room in the final episode and thousands of fans have been wilfully misinterpreting that as "not the black lodge" ever since

In that same episode, Sarah Palmer relays the message "I'm in the black lodge with Dale Cooper", in the film annie says the good Dale is in the lodge, the bad Cooper in this doesn't say "I'm supposed to go back to the place they call the waiting room" &c &c

oh yes, i forgot about the sarah palmer thing

I think the different spirits are more important than the rooms and places. And they seem to move around quite a bit. I guess that's why I don't think about it too much.

It doesn't help that most of the lodge exposition originally comes via windom earle

I don't know that we can say anything definitive about any of the liminal spaces. The 'Red Room' is apparently inhabited by 'good' spirits and 'bad' spirits and doppelgangers as well as the Arm, whose alignment is unknown but who has been shown to have a doppelganger of his own. The whole Black Lodge/White Lodge thing is probably a vast oversimplification and abstraction of a complicated metaphysical space based on the limits of human perception and descriptive ability.

Watched the last two episodes back to back last night. For all the talk about this not being written episodically, it does feel like they intentionally crammed in a load of familiarity and plot momentum in one in order for Lynch to go full-on Lynch in the most recent episode.

I immediately thought the girl was Sarah Palmer, it would just seem to make so much sense, especially as the golden ball with the Laura Palmer face inside seemed to be heading towards the US. It would perhaps also hold with the theory of Evil Coop somehow impregnating the comatose Audrey Horne after leaving the Great Northern (it's also possible that Audrey is *still in a coma* although I dunno why I'm thinking that).

Bob appearing from the atomic bomb definitely seems to fit into a wider thread about evil breeding more evil. Also definitely felt like the giant and the woman in the sequined dress were in the White Lodge.

Presumably Mr Jackpots' fingerprints will be all over that gun and the print match will alert the FBI, especially with the incident happening at the same time that Evil Coop is in prison.

Idle thoughts this morning: the initial detonation of the atomic bomb was the ultimate expression of man's capacity for self-annihilation, and it unleashed an infection of sorts (BOB & company) which feeds on the pain and suffering inevitably caused by man's inhumanity to man and which actively encourages these acts of inhumanity. The earth or some existing power on earth (??????? & company) released an antibody to deal with the infection ('Laura Palmer'). I don't know why, but at the moment I'm feeling like all of the mystical beings we've seen thus far are abstractions, the human mind anthropomorphizing and trying to make sense of higher order beings or disembodied powers...EXCEPT for the Experiment. Like the scene of the Experiment vomiting up whatever it vomited up (and the scene where it broke out of the glass box and decimated some domes) is the closest we've come to seeing an objective representation of these forces at work.

Red Room/Black Lodge/White Lodge/Purple Palace are ultimately nothing more than contextualizations of concepts that would annihilate the human mind without some filtering. It's like the robots at the end of AI trying to help little robot boy make sense of an insanely-advanced future.

Watched the last two episodes back to back last night. For all the talk about this not being written episodically, it does feel like they intentionally crammed in a load of familiarity and plot momentum in one in order for Lynch to go full-on Lynch in the most recent episode.

Yeah I never really agreed with the notion that these parts have been divided/structured "arbitrarily", they're parts of a whole but each one has felt pretty distinct, they have endings &c (not exactly in the same way that they did on abc in 1990, granted). But if anyone doubted that they were putting thought into how each hour was built, this should erase that.

I think the episodes are being structured very deliberately. But I also think a fair amount of that has been done in the editing room. I don't think he went in with 18 sequential storyboards.

I think it's been done almost entirely in the editing room!

The exception might be the two-hour premiere, which iirc frost said took a year to write

There's definitely some planning involved inasmuch as we thankfully don't have to wait until next week for part 2 of Lynch's journey into the heart of the mushroom cloud. My assertion has been that there isn't much/any attempt at a traditional arc or three/five-act structure over the course of any of the hour-long segments.

Does anybody else feel slightly *let down* when the show goes back to original-cast-in-Twin-Peaks scenes? I feel like we are getting something so great and new, the diner and sheriff's office stuff feels a bit like shtick at times.

Just the opposite for me -- I love the feeling that this small familiar thing is a crucial gear in the cosmos.

not let down as such, but i don't look forward to them

It's because, with the exception of Hawk and maybe Ben and Jerry, very little has happened with most of the original Twin Peaks characters - they're just sort of there at the moment. I hope Norma gets some proper screen time soon.

In light of what we saw in the last episode, the fact that half the town tunes into Dr Jacoby and his mad liberatarian ravings feels... ominous.

everybody's just trying to dig themselves out of the shit with their gold shovels

I'm with WilliamC

car chase scene, coop vs coop, across america - ends in twin peaks with jacoby looney tunes style knocking out bad coop with a gold shovel

I have absolutely no basis whatsoever for thinking this but I believe the series will be increasingly Twin Peaks-centric as we near the home stretch. Familiar things come to those who sit through an hour of abstract expressionist filmmaking.

we need that 25 second shot of audrey in a coma, and a 40 second shot of big ed sat at a table

The Twin Peaks Podcast claims that the Platter (who were playing at the radio station) had a David Lynch in their original lineup.

I wonder if the tube that carries the orb to the screen/earth is some kind of a long Klein Bottle, so helps the dimensional shift.

Always feel extra alienated by the garmonbozia because I have never seen nor eaten creamed corn. Have any UK folks encountered it here?

Platters, obv.

I idly speculated the other day how incredibly fucked it'd be if the lodge version of Laura somehow made it to the real world and showed up in Twin Peaks

"oh hyiie mother sayrrah" <removes face>

i have a distant memory of creamed corn being sold in tins in this colony, although it might have just been corn

Garmonbozia is one of the more difficult TP concepts for me to reconcile. I get what it represents in the abstract but it's also been explicitly linked to creamed corn in the real world. Maybe Lynch just has such primal loathing for creamed corn that he associates it with pain and sorrow.

Maybe on a symbolic level it just represents the manipulation and perversion of a thing's natural state. Although if that were the case I'd argue that maybe like Cheetos would be more apropos.

it just looks like that because we don't have the right senses to perceive its true nature

coriander should be pain and sorrow because it's fucking disgusting

suggest lodge banishment

lol

regarding orig Twin Peaks characters in this series, my wife (who loves Twin Peaks more than anyone I know) beams every time one of the old characters shows up. She wasn't entirely pleased with episode 8. I think she would have been fine if this series had retained the exact feel of the original, only picking up where things left off, and I imagine there must be a lot of fans who feel that way.

For me, I only watched the original series for the first time earlier this year, explicitly so I could watch the new one with my wife. And tho I'm glad I did to understand the story, I personally find this new series way more to my tastes. Last couple of episodes in particular.

I think garmonbozia symbolizes two things. On one level it's pain and sorrow, pretty literally, not much else going on. On a meta level it's significant that it's just something really cheap altered slightly and called something different, that is, it's important because it's such a small and handmade special effect, and that symbolizes mans yearning to express and create meaning.

"I have absolutely no basis whatsoever for thinking this but I believe the series will be increasingly Twin Peaks-centric as we near the home stretch"

in an interview, they asked Lynch if the town was taking a back seat and he laughed and said something like "No, no, Twin Peaks the town is definitely...very central" or something. Which makes me think you're right.

"I idly speculated the other day how incredibly fucked it'd be if the lodge version of Laura somehow made it to the real world and showed up in Twin Peaks"

one of the leaked photos from the set last year showed Cooper and a blonde woman walking up the steps to the Palmer house. It was speculated that it was Sheryl Lee. So maybe that will happen. But maybe it was Naomi Watts!

the terribilitas and beauty of the atomic detonation sequence reminded me of something i'd only just encountered a few months ago -- there was an exhibit in nyc of visual art that relates in some way or other to moving pictures -- one large room of the gallery was dedicated to a film made iirc in the early 80s out of slowed-down military footage of early nuclear bomb tests in the Pacific, set to unbearably beautiful synth improvisations by Terry Riley and Patrick Gleeson. i stayed in there for ages, it was fucking incredible.

This. Crossroads by Bruce Conner:

https://www.thewire.co.uk/news/37333/bruce-conner_s-terry-riley-scored-crossroads-screens-in-london

It's some heavy shit to meditate on. I'm sure, divorced from context, that the heart of a nuclear explosion is quite beautiful and awesome to behold but also, in context, a force of pure annihilation which would wholly eradicate all beholders and their subjective concepts of beauty.

and just like having been ten when reagan was elected and learning what nuclear weapons actually were at almost exactly the same time and going through half my childhood expecting the world to be torn apart from within any day, it's... yeah

Can we like... stop mentioning spoilers I managed to avoid for the last two years now that this thing is actually fucking on tv

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i can remember being quite small and seeing reagan announcing something warlike on telly and actually thinking we were all going to die

xp wins otm, stop it

i'm assuming that's about the talk above regarding "leaked photos" and yeah i agree

xp

Episode 8 sent me back to my Brackhage and Hollis Frampton blu-rays that had been gathering a fine coat of dust. Shame

Brakhage!! Double shame

Flying through the atom bomb blast scene was very 2001 A Space Odyssey. I read someone saying the scenes where it goes back to the Giant/White Lodge (?) are like the HTML code of the universe. I liked that. Great episode, I've never seen any Brakhage but I did feel this was an avant-garde, experimental movie on tv

The Joel Bocko review of this made me really want to watch the begotten

The scene where the soot men were removing the BOB blob specifically reminded me of Begotten. It's a fun little movie.

going to start a BOB blob blog