By Hera! Come anticipate the WONDER WOMAN movie with me!

They are really nice pastiches, I have to say.

Oddly (?) enough, the background/exposition bits in the recent DCEU stuff has always been pretty great. Thinking also of the bit in MoS where Jor-el is explaining Krypton's history, about 1:20 in in this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5bB96Mwidc

This movie was a lot of fun. I am extremely impressed they actually got me to like Chris Pine!

we talked a lot afterwards about how absolutely on point the casting was, ESPECIALLY Gal Gadot being an IDF veteran, because the accent works perfectly and because all of her main character beats are totally classic Jewish Lady

:/

"why isn't anyone doing anything about this?!?!? SIGH *goes over the top, blows up machine guns, annihilates significant architectural features to protect babies*

tbc this was important for us because my wife was able to immediately identify with WW for at least 3 reasons

god I can't wait to be dead

this movie wasn't good but i'm getting less and less mad at it as time goes by

I feel the opposite lol, didn't completely hate it while watching / immediately after, but the #slay #queen crowd (not so much people itt) are making me feel like I did

the ending was borderline incoherent, the exposition took forever, and the battle sequence in Act II needed to be edited down, but I didn't care about any of that because the characters were good and the action was fun and they actually tricked me into thinking David Thewlis WASN'T the big bad at first (nb: it is hard for me to pay a lot of attention to anybody who isn't Gal Gadot in a movie starring Gal Gadot)

also how many comic book superhero movies leave you with "supervillains don't gas children - men do" as the main take away?

At one point Whedon was going to direct this, years ago. He seemed like a perfect fit.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, June 2, 2017 7:01 PM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That script got leaked a few weeks back and hmmm, it's not good.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/06/19/joss-whedon-wonder-woman-script_n_17210508.html

The "Whedon is a misogynist" tumblr crowd have been ripping it a new one. I'm not denying it has some issues on that front(there's certainly an unpleasant male-gazey tone to the script that feels a bit icky) , but honestly the main problems are more to do with characterisation, dialogue and location. Virtually all the action takes place in a fictionalised city which I suspect is supposed to WW's version of Gotham or Metropolis, but it only serves to make this supposedly adult and edgy version of the character feel less grounded and more comicy. Also, as well as being the POV character in this version, Steve is written as a real dick for some reason.

Also doesn't help that the script is over a decade old, and the smartass dialogue that is the Whedon stock in trade feels very tired after years of Marvel movies doing the same shtick.

I don't think the released WW film is perfect by any means, but I'm glad that got made and not this one.

they actually tricked me into thinking David Thewlis WASN'T the big bad at first

haha, my wife and i turned to each other as soon as he appeared and were like 'oh so he's definitely the villain'

i was kinda expecting the twist to be that zeus had killed ares in battle and the horrors of the war were 100% caused by mortals

warning: hot take coming

given whedon's track record with this sort of stuff with buffy, i bet his handling of the WW/dave sex scene and fallout is a bit more nuanced and interesting than "wonder woman gets some dick and now can save the world"

not reading the script tho, could be wrong

wonder woman gets some dick and now can save the world

I don't have a lot of love for this woke-imperialist movie but I don't think this is a fair criticism

The "Whedon is a misogynist" tumblr crowd have been ripping it a new one.

THere was a lengthy Twitter defense from someone (a woman, fwiw) in the industry, not as a Capt. Save-A-Whedon thing, but more of a "This was a draft script, and draft scripts don't get shot, and even when you're dealing with shooting scripts you deal with what's on the screen, not what's on the page." It was interesting, but I can't be bothered to find it right now. I'm sure it's searchable.

it's crazymaking that anyone would even have to say that, or that it would constitute a "defense"

wonder woman gets some dick and now can save the world

I don't have a lot of love for this woke-imperialist movie but I don't think this is a fair criticism

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, July 3, 2017 10:56 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's obv a very cynical view and one i don't actually fully endorse, but it's not that much of a stretch imo. i would say the relationship between WW and steve was at best conventional

i was kinda expecting the twist to be that zeus had killed ares in battle and the horrors of the war were 100% caused by mortals

She does think this for all of ten seconds, before Ares reveals himself. I think a case could be made that it would have been a better movie without Ares. I had hoped the big showdown at the end would be between WW and the mad scientist lady (who they could have given some crazy powers to)

Saw this last night. Enjoyed the middle parts b/c I thought the character interplay was fun. Last third had some fuuuuuuuucked up multi-reversing ideology, tho.

I seriously don't think they shoulda set this during WWI. The village fight scene was one of those bits where I actually had to say aloud, "she's not fighting Nazis, these are 18-year-old conscripts FFS"

The village has the worst bit of discontinuity in the film. She leaves her cloak in the trench before crossing No Man's Land (which was also the worst dialogue in the film) and the village fight but is wearing it in the photo taken after the battle (that Bats gives her).

Was it really a priority that she went back for it straight away so she looked good in the picture? Or did some of the Allies bring it with them as they pushed forward for the battle in case the woman that had just gone over the top into a hail of gunfire survived (and a presumption they'd win the battle while encumbered with someone else's shit)? Or did she send someone else back for it after the battle so she could bask in the gratitude of the villagers and take all the credit?

there was absolutely no need to set it in WW1. in fact it worked against it hugely because to get any sort of satisfaction out of the fights you have to pretend some poor german kids are the big bad. if she's smart enough to read 30 languages, why isn't she smart enough to analyse the situation and work out that the british and german aristocracy and military are to blame before smashing hundreds of people into walls? is her only power being able to hurt people well?

why do i try to analyse comic book films you say? BECAUSE THEY SET IT DURING A REAL HISTORICAL EVENT DIDN'T THEY UGH

if she's smart enough to read 30 languages, why isn't she smart enough to analyse the situation and work out that the british and german aristocracy and military are to blame before smashing hundreds of people into walls?

The cognitive dissonance between her relentless naivete and her book learnin' was very weird and funny to me, generally not in a good way

Likewise, as I mentioned earlier, why doesn't she eventually prevent WWII?

I mean, are we sure she doesn't

for real though there's an interesting contrast to be made between this movie and Skull Island in terms of handling a major 20th-century conflict, though technically the latter takes place immediately *after* Nam

Kong is also totally isolated on a secret island. WW takes place in the middle of a high profile war. Wouldn't the entire world (er) wonder about her for decades? Before the arrival of Superman and the advent of Batman, there would be entire books titled, like, "Who Was This Godlike Woman Who Fought On The Fronts Of WWI Yet Failed To Stop WWII?" Assuming she didn't stop WWII, of course, but from what little I know about Bat vs. Supes, neither of them knows who she is. Supes I can understand - can he even read? - but Batman is pretty literate, he should know his world history!

Though I did get the poorly conveyed impression that the millions of people fighting WWI were all operating under the influence of Ares. That is, at the confusing end there were shots of people taking off their helmets and masks and essentially shaking off the cloud of EEVIL. But if Ares can hypnotize people into being EEVIL (and/or design random pills that give random people random rage-strength), why bother making them fight at all? Anyway, best not to think about it, this movie has sat well enough with me, and my younger one now reads WW comics.

I wish movies would just be allowed to invent invent historical wars the way they invent countries

Anyway, best not to think about it, this movie has sat well enough with me, and my younger one now reads WW comics.

yeah, i made my squeamishness about the wwi setting clear at the start of this thread but in the end the strength of the lead performances was enough to get me through it

i dunno how much i'll be able to overlook it on future viewings but for now i'm happy that there's finally a decent dcu movie and i hope there's still time for justice league to learn from it

pretty cute how into superheroes my nephews, age 3 and 5 are

3 and 5 year olds are usually excited by power

Why would a woman that book-learned and fluent in countless languages apparently never learn the word for "snow"?

sapir-whorf hypothesis

The bizarre thing for me was when I saw the movie I'd just come back from a week-long tour of Belgian battlefields, and having heard countless stories of dreadful slaughter and carnage and visited so many war graves, it was a bit of a headspinner to have that as the setting for exciting super-punching action fun times.

It's also a bit odd when you consider how significant the Second World War was to Wonder Woman's origins, and which played a big part in the TV series as well. So why the change? They can't have been worried about ripping off Captain America surely, that movie was years ago!

Because then the movie would have been about Wonder Woman punching out the Manhattan Project.

with oppenheimer as the big bad, literally 'become death, destroyer of worlds'?

i'd watch the shit out of that tbh

Oh I think ILX would totally watch that movie. Hence the budget should have been in the $2500 range.

"A Mark Duplass Film"

ilx post-covers the wonder woman movie

i spent a few days camping with a group of friends & two unrelated 5 yr old girls had WW bathrobe & pyjamas, two moms had WW tshirts, and at one point the 8 yr old boy was playing "magic lasso" with some old rope he found by the river.. it was super cool seeing all the unplanned ww love :)

despite my historical issues, a lot of it was excellent, and she was hella charismatic and a lot of things were done super well. therein lies the frustration - and it's pretty lame that her next appearance is alongside total downer-bros Cavill and Affleck in the next one.

http://www.tcj.com/professor-marston-and-the-wonder-women/

Just a piece about some of the puzzling choices in the biopic.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonwells/medium-post-gal-gadot?utm_term=.xhYANAr7KD#.vmGA1APmKq

13 years ago, Gal Gadot would have been 19 years old or so. I don't think anybody is a perfect moral specimen at that age. I don't appreciate Medium's handling of it, but then again, fucking Medium, you get what you pay for in a platform.

I read the original post before Medium took it down. If the account is true, not being a "perfect moral specimen" doesn't cover it.

Just read the webcached version. Fuck me, what a vile human being*.

*Assuming it's true as written

well okay then I guess she sucks

everyone sucks