There are so many music critics on ILX that the disingenuousness of a lot of creators w/r/t their influences must be familiar. I'm not sure an issue of NME ever went by without at least one band claiming to have never even heard of, and certainly not been influenced by, some other band that they sound exactly like and have obviously listened to a great deal.
― Dan I., Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:42 (seven years ago) link
xp it would be pretty cool if he literally hasn't
― circa1916, Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link
yeah I'm sceptical of the deren claim too & said so itt iirc, it would be one hell of a coincidence if so. As I say I think he would have encountered some of this stuff in film school. I don't have much reason to disbelieve that he hasn't kept up with the cutting edge of cinema post-1977 or so though, like we know he's a fan of malick & kubrick but I's be surprised if he's seen any maddin for example. It's not impossible to imagine arriving at a lot of the visual stuff in this more or less independently (not that anything ever is really "independent" like that) as an extension of stuff that he's been doing since he first made his paintings move. But my original point, which I'll stop making now, is that the likelihood or otherwise of lynch having this stuff in mind shouldn't stop anyone from making the connections
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
I think the notion that Lynch isn't influenced by other filmmakers is primarily based on preserving the notion of "Lynchian" as being this ineffable quality that no one else has genuine access to and exists in a kind of vacuum (see also the notion of Lynch as a naif etc). I see why people make the argument but I don't buy it
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
i don't think anyone (here) is arguing that he isn't influenced by other filmmakers
anyway, this is more important i think:
"Lynch was also a member of the high school fraternity Alpha Omega Upsilon, and learned to play the bongos while frequenting a nightclub popular with the Beat Generation, earning the nickname "Bongo Dave".[13]"
― circa1916, Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
yeah I didn't mean anyone here, I was speaking more broadly
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
Yeah he def is I just don't think he's all that interested in going out and seeing them. Maybe I'm wrong and you couldn't drag him away from the Hou or Costa season at the local arthouse but I don't think so (I also have a feeling he isn't alone in this among us directors). In general he seems a little - not solipsistic exactly, but certainly very narrow in his interests: painting, meditating, eating the same meal every day and only watching the one tv show about car repair or whatever
Of course a lot of this may be interview schtick and printing-the-legend, who knows what the real truth is (or cares)
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
this is discussed a *little* bit on the new 'cast (out tonight I think)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
speaking of influences, in tony oursler's book IMPONDERABLE, which i've been obsessively thumbing through for the past week or so, there are tons of images of psychics/mediums/etc excreting ectoplasm as they channel spirits and the paranormal.
e.g., check out this mouthbarfing medium:
http://i.imgur.com/ykNkRTm.jpg
or check out this stomachbarfing medium:
http://i.imgur.com/QnHJeYk.jpg
the ectoplasm was associated with the creation of spirits, or at least the summoning of them. apologies if the ectoplasm > spirit formation thing is already common knowledge to everyone, but it was all new to me.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:56 (seven years ago) link
...i guess i should state the obvious connection to garmonbozia and the slow motion vomit sequence in episode 8
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link
Was gonna suggest if you get Dennis Lim on you can ask him how much is bullshit xp
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link
Wow @ those pics
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
oh man, there are so many more. i can't recommend the book highly enough.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:05 (seven years ago) link
(the ectoplasm stuff is only maybe 1% of the book, in case the idea of looking at images of mediums barfing doesn't appeal to everyone for some reason. it's fantastic)
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
african-american characters in twin peaks:
1. jade2. this guy: https://files.slack.com/files-tmb/T07R0LRM2-F6183EA49-ff941f4249/idrdwo_1__360.gif
is that it?
― na (NA), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:15 (seven years ago) link
Is that a pic of Ernie Hudson? There were about 3 in the original series iirc, not great
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link
You forgot Louie 'Birdsong' Budway (who will be showing up in the revival, apparently). And, ummmmmm...the Jumping Man?
― Duane Quarterdump (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:22 (seven years ago) link
There was the internal affairs guy and I think major Briggs's CO? And a few randos in the pilot
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:23 (seven years ago) link
the guy who introduced The Nine Inch Nails
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:24 (seven years ago) link
Looking unlikely :( but we're gonna keep trying!
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:28 (seven years ago) link
"not all men" answer: cough cough, actually towns in Washington State that are close to the Canadian border would tend to be > 80% white, Lynch is simply being realistic
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:29 (seven years ago) link
That's true, but there is the question of the kinds of roles the few non-white actors get to play (I know you know this, just saying)
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:31 (seven years ago) link
don't you "actually" at me, jim
― mh, Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:31 (seven years ago) link
"Lynch is simply being realistic"
lol
― na (NA), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:35 (seven years ago) link
Little Jimmy Scott.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:36 (seven years ago) link
mans a realist what can you do
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:37 (seven years ago) link
you know, famously realist director david lynch
anyway i'm only shit-stirring a little bit, i realized jade was the only prominent african-american character i could think of, jesse pointed out the guy from above the convenience store, but i was sure there had to be others i was forgetting. ernie hudson was a major oversight obviously.
― na (NA), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:37 (seven years ago) link
No it's definitely a convo worth having, which is why we have it itt every few weeks
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:38 (seven years ago) link
fuck you
― na (NA), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
jk
i don't remember race coming up in this thread before but who can keep track. i'll take your word for it
― na (NA), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
david lynch is an old white dude who liked reagan in the 80s because he thought he would cut red-tape and because he used to play a cowboy in movies; i don't think he knows/cares about controversies regarding representation in film and tv
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
Diane.gif
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
Was there any suggestion of Diane being a tough bitch before? Because I always imagined her as something like an acquiescent 50s secretary.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:46 (seven years ago) link
No, but everything we knew about her was filtered through Dale
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
jki don't remember race coming up in this thread before but who can keep track. i'll take your word for it
It def has (and there were 2 threads to keep track of at one point) but I do genuinely think it's worth pointing out. I was resigned to this stuff before the series even came out because I'd seen the cast list (& know lynch's MO generally) but it's still disappointing
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
I was surprised when she turned out to be so angry, but after a while I thought maybe she was be a bitch to people associated with Cooper. Or maybe she wasn't so angry before whatever happened with Cooper.
But imagining Cooper in the original run of the series dictating to an angry fuck-you-ing Diane is interesting.
xp
― Je55e, Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
Have you seen the missing pieces? Dude was an annoying boss
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link
Wasn't Clarence Williams III in the original show? A Mod Squad reunion?
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
Noooo.... I want to! But I've been waiting for a remote control so I can use my Blu Ray player :-/
― Je55e, Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure the characterisation of Diane in the new series is deliberately fucking with people's preconceptions
― Number None, Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link
Xp oh man you're in for a treat, except for that one scene which is vastly improved by imagining Dern offscreen saying "fuck off, Dale"
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link
― Je55e, Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link
xxpost For sure. Now I'm imagining her receiving tape after tape in the mail and just endlessly complaining to her coworkers. "He expects me to make heads or tails of this shit? STOP PONTIFICATING ABOUT THE FUCKING TREES AND TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT ME TO TRANSCRIBE. FUCK YOU, DALE."
― Duane Quarterdump (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
Damn I'm getting the personal treatment today
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
Obligatory here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BVpD4JmgeIW/
― one way street, Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
haha
― Je55e, Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link
What's that scene originally from?
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link
I printed out Ronnie Rocket in booklet format so I don't have to read a GD PDF on my phone. I'll report back next week.
― Je55e, Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
jed, I think it's probably from The Missing Pieces?
yep
― circa1916, Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link