The stars turn: the TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread

This morning I found myself reciting "this is the water..." to myself and really thinking about the rhythm of each line.
First line is 10 syllables, second line is 5. Third line is 8 syllables, fourth line is 4.

It's extremely minor but also extremely cool.

that yrev cool

I was excited today to happen upon an anthropology text specifically about the role of corn in the development of various ancient civilizations in the Americas, disappointed to report that the chapter dealing with its spiritual and religious significance made no mention of the creamed variety or of its initial issuance from a a-bomb-spawned monstrosity, although I did learn that the Olmec god of maize was a were-jaguar with a corncob sprouting from its head, so if we eventually see a were-jaguar scarfing garmonbozia, you're welcome.

stan has been putting up thumbnails of the end of the show, which you have to click on in order to watch the show, which is fucking ridiculous

Huh, I'm watching on Stan and have never seen this.

I just click the play icon next to each episode:

https://i.imgur.com/Pj3fBrd.png

i'm with AA, i'm frustrated that my friend won't watch this until it's done. It seems like insanity.

probably time for that new thread now that we're approaching the mid point

mobile phone wallpaper:
https://welcometotwinpeaks.com/wp-content/uploads/c-fire-dox-bad-cooper-tracking-device-app-background.jpg

in my dream version Audrey spends all of those scenes talking to herself

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 1 July 2017 01:25 (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would kill for a fan edit of this

Huh, I'm watching on Stan and have never seen this.

it's in the big banner carousel at the top of the page. this week it shows the giant standing next to his alarm, last week it was dale having just being let out of his jail cell.

also: fireman, woodsman, "this is the water" — is this all building to a battle of the elements?

the five chinese elements are wood, fire, earth, metal, water. we explicitly have three of those. however, iirc lynch/frost have never covered chinese philosophies in the twin peaks universe, so it might be a different register of elements.

the alternatives i've found are the classical/ancient greek elements (earth, water, air, fire, aether) and the japanese elements (earth, water, fire, wind, void), but these sets aren't as good a match.

(note that i'm unfamiliar with elemental sets and had to google all of this)

re elementals: metalurgy and alchemy are a major part of the secret history, lots of gold and silver and formica, talismans (talismen?) and coins everywhere in S3.

oh wow

I recommended it somewhere toward the beginning of the thread, but I would once again suggest checking out The Little White Mask Blog. She's written very little about the revival but she goes deep wrt interpretations of the original series and a lot of it still feels like it applies.

it's in the big banner carousel at the top of the page. this week it shows the giant standing next to his alarm, last week it was dale having just being let out of his jail cell.

I'm using my laptop hooked up to TV, so essentially watching through my internet browser - maybe that makes a difference?

can't screencap from here, but it's on the front page, the ios app and the apple tv app

Just looked it up on my iPhone and now I see what you mean - yeah, that's ridiculous.

I guess I've been opening up the hompeage and clicking straight through to the series link underneath (ie. the "cover" or whatever else you would call it), by chance I'd managed to miss the header post each time.

i've watched episode 8 at least 5 times already and there's still over a week to go before a new ep. the pacing for this show is impeccable .

Stranger Things came up today (which I basically loathed, deeply in the minority there) and I was thinking about that hollow brand of nostalgia pandering vs. this intentionally aggressive fan service denial. There are so many reasons I'm digging this right now, but pulling that in this climate makes it especially endearing to me.

I mean, it's more complicated. Lynch is resurrecting so many eras of his career here, so there's that, but he's making it into something bigger and it isn't cheap.

Simon H, I'm loving your podcast. Really smart contributors. And the host is pretty good as well.

One thing that came up with a friend was how different my experience of this series has been compared to his. He has a partner, both fans and both enjoying it - but watching on my own is very different. I was frustrated and bored by a lot of the Dougie stuff in 5 & 6 but they were enjoying that because they were talking to each other in the very slow sequences and having some back and forth about it.

the alternatives i've found are the classical/ancient greek elements (earth, water, air, fire, aether) and the japanese elements (earth, water, fire, wind, void), but these sets aren't as good a match.

elemental are sort of universal. fire water earth and air. this is in Native American traditions as well as Kabbalah and western classical traditions. the face upon the waters before creation. before light. darkness and mystery being the preliminary state of things before a causal agent creates fire. then air (the word, the breath, also the poems these killers chant to entrance or mindbend their victims) sets apart the fire from the waters and the waters from below from the waters above. air gives form to creation. then earth and you know the rest. if you took all the atoms from something and put them together w no air inbetween, it would not be a thing. existence or creation requires that uncertainty.

this is all in Genesis. i would recommend Maimonides' "Guide For the Perplexed" in this regard. he talks a lot about prophecy, about what makes a prophet, about the importance of the imaginative faculty and of dreams in receiving visions. prophecy is closely tied to astrology, the planets, to an extent demonology, as all of these forces were seen to be tied together, as if through laws and a sort of symbolic physics, and there was an esoteric science of studying that law. some thought it was the knowledge Adam had won during the whole Fall from Eden, the alchemical Philosopher's Stone, the Biblical Tree of Life, the key to Godlike knowledge, the science of creation and all the arts. an angel is said to have been charged with delivering the knowledge of creation, that fruit that he has tasted of and knowledge that was promised by God. these post-Christian Hebrew texts form the canonical literature of classical magic, demonology, alchemy, etc. it was an early form of science tbh and was informed by the early sciences. so the elements play a great part. whether the aim was to conjure physical beings (familiars) or produce miracles as described literally in the Bible is not classically seen as the end goal of alchemical study. rather it serves as a symbolic personal spiritual journey through this language of age old dreams and symbols towards some stillness some enlightenment Nirvana whatever you want to call it closeness to God. from what i can tell most demonic studies originate their inspiration from the wise Solomon, producing the classic grimoires and mystical text during the mid to late middle ages. magical operations involved a full range of crafting magical implements and clothing and performing a sacred cosplay involving chanting costuming set design performance art etc. a similar technique to what is perhaps known as Bhakti in the Hindu traditions whereupon the personal relationship between man and God/deva/angel/demon or other spiritual mystical phenomenon anthropomorphized for convenience sake is materially ritualized (using these convenience and age old symbols). these beings are fundamentally tied to certain elements (ie Fire or Water) and fall under the influence of certain planets thus necessitating charts of dates and moon cycles in order to find out the most opportune time to dial in to that entity. always it is that humans learn the art of magical science from the Gods themselves, we see it from Prometheus to Thoth to Shiva to Christianity to the spiritual entities like Bob and other denizens of the Black Lodge. this inevitably incurs the central drama of spirituality: the separation of spirit and matter, symbolized in the simplest way by the air that separates fire and water.

the smashing of atoms is our modern ritual of scientific spirituality. creation and destruction on a Godlike scale. the creation or destruction of the world.

on that tip Dougie is extra hilarious in that these supernatural entities are reaching out and trying to give him enlightenment and all he can do is scribble on some insurance documents a brilliant and funny commentary on the state of modern spirituality

Simon, FYI though it's pender-etzki so you were closer but you didn't quite get it right. No shade btw.

Górecki Is also Gor-etzki, fwiw.

This thread gets weird when everyone's maybe a little fucked up.

*bends arms back*

The two soundtracks to this are gonna be so good but listening to the slowed down moonlight sonata I'd kill for a "twin peaks archive"-style release that had all the ambient soundscapes

Bored at work today I finally dug into the DUGPA thread for people who aren't feeling the new series and the ringleader there's avatar is Windom Earle. Not sure if dude's messing around or...

Stranger Things came up today (which I basically loathed, deeply in the minority there) and I was thinking about that hollow brand of nostalgia pandering vs. this intentionally aggressive fan service denial. There are so many reasons I'm digging this right now, but pulling that in this climate makes it especially endearing to me.

― circa1916, Saturday, 1 July 2017 12:36 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is such a good comparison. the people who don't like this twin peaks seem overwhelmingly to be the same people who want more of what they got in 1990, instead of accepting that they already have that, it's 30 episodes long and it's called "twin peaks", and simply enjoying this new show for the uncompromising genius that it is.

the reactions to mr jackpots are the funniest because some people really, really want dale cooper. and yet they got him, in episodes 1 and 2.

fwiw i didn't mind stranger things but i didn't much enjoy the nostalgia. if i want '80s stephen king i'll read '80s stephen king.

adam: thanks for breaking that down. the fire v water aspect is clearly the focus of this show and i probably read too much into it.

Watched part 8 last night (gf was out of town and we're doing the whole goddamn thing together) and finally got to the end of this thread- ILX is one of the only sources I read for this; there's such a great mix of insight and erudition (that Tscherkassky film!) and enough healthy skepticism that the absolute worst takes get filtered out.

A few little, probably screamingly obvious things that I haven't seen addressed here or the other writers I follow on the subject:

Did anyone else get heavy Sunset Boulevard vibes from the space I'm going to tentatively call the White Lodge? A little Last Year at Marienbad too, but between the Art Deco styling of the theater and the two inhabitants of the space (who are like a kind of inverse Swanson/von Stroheim pair) it really jumped out at me...

https://static.gofugyourself.com/uploads/2017/06/twin-peaks-episode-8-recap-11-1498530091-640x360.jpeg
http://theredlist.com/media/database/films/cinema/1950/sunset-boulevard/013-sunset-boulevard-theredlist.jpg

This one is definitely a known quantity- going to Amazon to finally buy Strange Angel and seeing that it was frequently bought with Frost's new TP books means it's obvious enough that people have widely picked up on it and/or Frost explicitly references it in Secret History, which I haven't read yet- but Jack Parsons seems like a major touchstone here.

Finally- did anyone else get the impression that, in keeping with the monster-movie trappings of the 1956 segment, the Woodsmen are Frost/Lynch's take on the classic alien abduction mythology?

Simon, FYI though it's pender-etzki so you were closer but you didn't quite get it right

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Sunset Boulevard is one of Lynch's favorites, so solid call there.

yeah totally got sunset blvd vibes

mulholland drive is a lot like sunset

Yeah def, lynch will straight up reenact scenes from it - like the wizard of oz, it's never far away

A gag I've seen quite a few people come up with & I think would be kinda great: what if bad Dale, no longer with BOB, wakes up in a state of catatonia similar to good coop in vegas & we shuffles his way through the criminal underworld "dougie"-style

Rewatched Ep8 last night and it's going to be hard to go back to the...real world of Vegas, Buckhorn and TP and The Coops, Lucy, etc. et al. I do love that we have a show where all that seems kind of mundane!

xpost OMG, that would be excellent and would piss off so many people.

Finally- did anyone else get the impression that, in keeping with the monster-movie trappings of the 1956 segment, the Woodsmen are Frost/Lynch's take on the classic alien abduction mythology?

― You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Saturday, July 1, 2017 12:07 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It definitely seemed like Lynch was hitting both the 'radiation-spawned, desert-dwelling monstrosity' and the 'invaders from another world' '50s sci-fi tropes. I couldn't think of anything from that era that combined those elements, but it occurred to me that one work which absolutely does synthesize the two and which I've thought about in comparison to TP many times before is The Invisibles (not the least reason being that the contemporaneous discussion between installments feels very similar). Generally speaking, I think it's fair to say that Mark Frost and Grant Morrison draw from a similar well of influences.

Guys, I've worked out what the ultimate reveal of the series is going to be.

And it fills the room, from the floor to the ceiling
I see miracles all around me
Stop and look around, it's all astounding
Water, fire, air and dirt

The Experiment vomits the garmonbozia filling the void. The after effects make The Fireman float to the ceiling. The 'thermodynamic miracle' as Alan Moore refers to creation of life in Watchmen, produces BOB and Laura with Senorita Dido and The Fireman as observers of the wonder. And the elements, as all note above are the key. Which takes us to the mystery the series will explain.

Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?

In episode 8 of the original run Cooper was lying on the floor with two bullets in him and The Giant projected a golden orb from his head into Coop.

That's ep 9.

(Think the original DVD led to confusion about the ep numbers since it didn't include the pilot.)

Ok that's not totally correct. Coop was in bed and the orb came out of the floor. Still.

(Pretty crazy they released it that way in retrospect xp)

Yeah, I bungled that. But The Giant or Fireman delivering golden orbs is something I totally forgot about.

ICP is definitely on to something

The series will conclude with them on stage in the Bang Bang Bar doing Miracles.

"Diane, I'm entering the town of Cave-In-Rock..."

hahaha

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