Also Maddow reporting on Russia is very far from conspiratorial shit posting if you see any of it
Honestly I watched it the time she got some of his tax return and it struck me as being pretty damn conspiratorial (mostly because there was a ton of conjecture involved)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link
I feel like Maddow's shtick was done a great disservice by having the tax return thing be INSANELY HYPED that day, leading people who had seen some clips of her show and kind of nodded along to her reasonable takes to watch that evening's show only for it to be a drawn-out monologue followed by the least amount of actual substantive information possible.
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
the hype didn't help but the segment was awfully insubstantive in any context
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
I think it's similar to the dilemma of people who have to write regular newspaper columns. She might have the material or novel take on something to come up with a superb article a handful of times, but her show airs Monday through Friday and oh god how do you fill up all that time
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:22 (six years ago) link
I'd listen to CT if they just muted Stav's mic when he wasn't actually speaking. The West Coast eps with Nick and other friends went down far better. Too many of the regular eps remind me of the one time I tried listening to Ari Shaffir's show years ago and that dude had just some straight horrible personal opinions expressed on the worst way possible.
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
she should quit that shit and go patreon
― popcorn michael awaits trumptweet (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link
morbz just slayed me w/the dar-RYL reference
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
it's a problem CNN, MSNBC, probably Fox News have, where there is only so much news and most people don't want to watch an hour of in-depth analysis, and even if they do, they don't want it every day
news channels wanting people to keep tuned in is the stupidest shit, the best part of them is being able to turn it on, hear the general facts of what's going on in the world, and barring some huge development being confident that you're up to date. the amount of bullshit they've concocted to keep people tuned in detracts from the actual news
I'm still wincing at the day I spent in airports following the nightclub shooting in Orlando. I started in Canada, and Canadian news just listed the same facts and minor developments, then moved on. When I was stuck in an american airport for hours, CNN had hosts musing over "what could it mean" interspersed with guests, including someone called "security mom", a blogger of note (?!?)
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
Agreed about that tax segment, both hype and actual substance of that, though I think it was probably way too dry to be characterized as in the universe of Beck, Infowars etc. I was really grateful when she did a fairly lengthy segment on Rep. Barbara Lee's amendment last week and not solely because the story itself was one of the few positive things of late.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link
I felt like a less-sensationalist version of the attention-seeking Twitter creeps/weirdos like Eric Garland
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link
i'm a reg CT listener and it can definitely be hilarious but man some of the "ironic" gay stuff is just so "layered"? (gtfo of here) that i don't even get it any more. like at some point i'm p sure you just like to call things and people "gay" & "faggy". the ironic race & jewish stuff can veer that way, too, but maybe slightly less so?
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
excuse me there's ironic what
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
forgive me for not engaging with cum town and therefore criticizing it without having any contextual basis but iirc "ironic" use of "gay" and "faggy" is also known as homophobia
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
I don't think anyone (beyond the most tiresome of edgelords) would blame you or anyone else for finding that beyond the pale
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 20:07 (six years ago) link
More coverage:
http://www.macleans.ca/society/the-rise-of-the-internets-dirtbag-left/
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 20:33 (six years ago) link
ha, v unsurprising byline
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
Lol a Stav-less CT is a bold, almost challopsy take but appreciated nonetheless. imo his cackle is essential to the show, but I understand
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 20:55 (six years ago) link
Nobody's cackle is essential to anything that's the podcast fallacy
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:16 (six years ago) link
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― mark s, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:17 (six years ago) link
There are honourable exceptions
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:19 (six years ago) link
I am ignorant of his other works
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
the podcast fallacy
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― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
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― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:35 (six years ago) link
Don't really know what point Frederick is trying to make itt but fwiw I also disagree that if someone *were* to shoot Chait and say "Chapo made me do it" that this would change anything about the situation, people do this kinda shit and claim all sorts of motivations. Gun accessibility + poor mental health system, as mentioned upthread, is p much all there is to it.
I'd apply that reasoning to most right wing shock jocks as well, except when we get into the territory of someone like Alex Jones, whose entire shtick is feeding paranoia, warning of a coming conflict and never breaks kayfabe (unless he's in court)...that's a bit murkier. But I don't think either Russia conspiracy shit or Chapo flippancy is really comparable to that.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:36 (six years ago) link
CTH/dirtbags mentioned in this rather flimsy MYT Mag piece as well
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/magazine/hated-by-the-right-mocked-by-the-left-who-wants-to-be-liberal-anymore.html?partner=socialflow&smid=tw-nytmag&smtyp=cur
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 22:51 (six years ago) link
Here is an ideology that has many accused sympathizers, but no champions, no defenders.
gee I wonder why that is
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 23:08 (six years ago) link
maybe they should read the "hipster as pejorative" thread
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 23:09 (six years ago) link
Amber's my favorite Chapo so the latest episode is a nice change of pace but once again why do they bother even bringing a guest on?
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Monday, 10 July 2017 21:21 (six years ago) link
I assume the guests don't mind and were mostly going to hang with them anyway but it's weird to have someone interject every ten minutes on a podcast where they're the featured guest.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Monday, 10 July 2017 21:22 (six years ago) link
It's a weird dynamic, obviously I think the guests are thrilled bc it's great exposure, but the talking over guests thing is a huge blind spot probably caused by their inexperience in broadcasting before CTH. Then again, they've been doing it for almost a year and a half now - they need to figure that out.
― flappy bird, Monday, 10 July 2017 21:26 (six years ago) link
do they pay guests?
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 10 July 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
I doubt it seriously. Podcasts as an industry do not pay guests yet, do they
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Monday, 10 July 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
they make so much money though
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 10 July 2017 22:32 (six years ago) link
i suppose like most radio shows don't, although this is a fairly fledgling medium
I liked the guest because I thought she worked well in the first half. Yet, she didn't get a chance to contribute much in the second half, sorta what happened when her brother Leyawn was on
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Monday, 10 July 2017 22:32 (six years ago) link
well the episode was clearly demarcated into two halves. they even asked her if she wanted to stick around for the ask Amber portion iirc. that said, there have been eps where the guest gets rolled over by the rapid fire snarking.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 10 July 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link
What talk shows pay guests? Most of their guests are either freelance columnists or people promoting their books - a Chapo appearance by someone writing for the Baffler or the Outline or wherever is huge. I know I've bought lots of books by people they've had on.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 03:24 (six years ago) link
Late night tv chat paid appearance fees to guests
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 06:09 (six years ago) link
will does the right thing and prompts their guest specifically a few times. not much else you can do imho
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 06:21 (six years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 4:36 PM (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a lot of ppl were saying this back when ppl shot those congressmen & it struck me as a very partisan argument. either these ideas deserve some credit for the actions of their followers or they dont, but liberals being inconsistent on this is lazy
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 08:06 (six years ago) link
deej, I understand that it seems convenient to have my side be blameless and the other side to blame but I do think you need to have some nuance: people whose public persona is obviously kidding and people whose public persona is dead serious cannot be put on the same level.
fwiw I think there are plenty of conservative pundits whose shtick is snarky hyperbole directed at the left too, and they shouldn't be blamed for their followers either.
but Alex Jones strikes me as different because, even though he may claim it's performance art and plenty of ppl obviously tune in for the lolz, within the world the show establishes there is no ambiguity whatsoever that his followers are under attack from very sinister forces and that violent, armed resistance is a legitimate way to fight that. That provides a stronger moral responsibility than if it was just zings, and if we had a high profile leftist radio DJ stridently calling for armed insurrection against the US govt (and yes I know these ppl exist but not w/ Jones' standing), I'd say the same for them.
obviously as a leftist I'm more likely to take right-wing snark seriously than left wing snark, being the target of it and all, but I don't think there's much room for interpretation with someone like Alex Jones
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 09:47 (six years ago) link
iow: the ideas totally deserve credit for the actions of their followers but you can't divorce that from tone and context
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 09:48 (six years ago) link
Women /minorities: "LOL cool story. You will bow down to our proclivities, or your lily white cult can gtfo of our party. Have a good day!" pic.twitter.com/jWQatShCU8— Dude Kembro 🌈 (@HillaryWasRight) July 13, 2017
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Friday, 14 July 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
do we really need to pile on some random guy
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 14 July 2017 21:36 (six years ago) link
they're all at it
Imagine being a wealthy white guy and telling this to poor minorities who vote for Democrats pic.twitter.com/QFy141R94p— Marcus H. Johnson (@marcushjohnson) July 13, 2017
― devvvine, Friday, 14 July 2017 21:39 (six years ago) link
Eh, clean shot. The "persecution" cries over this very much amount to "we want to have it both ways".
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 14 July 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link
"all"
― flopson, Friday, 14 July 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
are chapo people crying 'persecuction'?? not sure i follow
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 14 July 2017 22:44 (six years ago) link
Menaker's tweet thread from earlier today certainly reads that way. Actually most of the angry fan responses to the Johnson tweet as well.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 14 July 2017 23:05 (six years ago) link
Like what? I see things like:
The thing that drives Chapo haters--at least on the Democratic-Liberal side--the most insane is that they can't get us fired from anywhereThese people have been doing the job of Democratic party base management for various media companies, non profits and think tanks for yearsTheir job was to act as gatekeepers for what is progressive & liberal on behalf of a political and donor class hostile to left wing politicsThe popularity of Bernie and the success of Corbyn, especially among the young, is deeply frightening, alienating to them
These people have been doing the job of Democratic party base management for various media companies, non profits and think tanks for years
Their job was to act as gatekeepers for what is progressive & liberal on behalf of a political and donor class hostile to left wing politics
The popularity of Bernie and the success of Corbyn, especially among the young, is deeply frightening, alienating to them
So the first one, if you really pushed it? But it's about how they aren't punishable in the way that someone writing for the Times or even The Nation would be. The rest are a political assessment.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Friday, 14 July 2017 23:14 (six years ago) link